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Film Critic Matt Zoller Seitz: Success of Avengers, GOT shows cinema is officially dead

Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:05 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:05 pm
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"Avengers: Endgame" is not just the culmination of the 22-movie Marvel Cinematic Universe. It also represents the decisive defeat of "cinema" by "content."

The word refers to a piece of entertainment that can be delivered any number of ways, and that's defined less by its story, characters, source material, or presentational medium (cinema or TV) than by its brand identity (Marvel), its corporate parentage (Disney), and its ability to get hundreds of millions of people talking about it all at once, inducing such a state of excitement that they'll implicitly threaten harm against anyone who "spoils" the movie by discussing anything besides how much they loved it. (In one case, the threat was more than implicit: a Hong Kong moviegoer was beaten up outside a theater showing "Endgame" for loudly discussing plot details.) What we're seeing onscreen as we watch Captain America and Iron Man and the Hulk and Captain Marvel undo galactic genocide and destroy Thanos isn't merely a superhero battle for the ages, but a seismic cultural event. It marks the end of one era and the birth of another.

The "content" label has swarmed in, and continues to assimilate every art form. Increasingly, media outlets that used to distinguish the between the two have shown signs of surrendering to the inevitable. The founder of this site started running articles about TV in the final years of his life, and RogerEbert.com now has a thriving television section, and reviews two-hour movies made for streaming services like Netflix and other streaming platforms (of varying budget levels) alongside $250 million Disney tentpole pictures. My other regular outlet, New York Magazine (and its arts website Vulture), brokered a peace agreement between the film and TV sections, which were having miniature turf wars over who should review movies that went directly to TV and streaming platforms—as well as epic nonfiction projects like "O.J.: Made in America" that were financed as TV programs, but tried to game the system to get film awards by screening in their entirety in a handful of cinemas. Now the rule is that, with some exceptions, anything that's a stand-alone feature gets reviewed by the movie critics.

This will increasingly become the practice as theaters become largely event-driven spaces, pushing anything below a certain budget threshold to Amazon, Netflix, iTunes, Vimeo, etc. In the future, media organizations might have to do away with the "film" and "TV" tags entirely, if indeed there are media organizations as we currently think of them.

This is what Steven Spielberg has really been beefing with Netflix about: the preservation of the theatrical experience, and of the idea of "cinema," and distinctions between art forms, in an age of "content" that streams along in the same digital river. Whether Spielberg's desire is even realistic is an open question. Based on my own experience chronicling both art forms, I'm increasingly convinced that film and TV started merging a long time ago, before most of us were aware of what was going on.

Most of the predictions that RogerEbert.com contributor Godfrey Cheshire wrote two decades ago in his landmark essays "The Death of Film" and "The Decay of Cinema" have come to pass, though not in exactly the manner he predicted. But a big one is the idea that "movies after the 20th century will have neither the esthetic singularity nor the cultural centrality that they presently enjoy."

Notwithstanding the occasional outlier, such as the theatrical version of Stephen King's "It" and Jordan Peele's first two movies, television series, and streaming, serialized entertainment generally, have been at the center of cultural conversation for at least ten years, perhaps longer. The only movies that have rivaled the biggest TV series as mass-culture events are ones that have certain obvious, TV-like properties, and exploit them brilliantly. The big ones are the MCU and DCEU films, the Disney-era "Star Wars" films, and to a lesser extent, the 21st century kaiju extravaganzas kicked off by the 2013 "Godzilla." ("King Kong Skull Island" and "Godzilla: King of the Monsters" followed, and the entire franchise is building towards "King Kong vs. Godzilla," the kaiju answer to Thanos vs. The Avengers.)

Whether what's truly being aped here is television, the theatrical cliffhangers of the 1940s and '50s, the serialized fiction of Charles Dickens and other 19th century magazine writers, or comic books and comic strips is ultimately a distinction without a difference. They're all manifestations of the same commercial/artistic impulse, to keep audiences on the hook, constantly craving dopamine rush that comes with narrative closure, even when it proves to be temporary, just a setup for the next cliffhanger. The takeaway here should be that television and cinema have merged into the endless, insatiable content stream, and the biggest, baddest examples of image-driven entertainment—the works that have the power to unite large sections of an otherwise fragmented society—are the ones that are more reminiscent of television as we've always known it.

These make a much stronger impression on the public than cinema comprised of feature films that are approximately 90 minutes to three hours long, that have their own freestanding narrative and stylistic integrity, and that are meant to be contemplated as freestanding objects, even when (as in the case of, say, the "Godfather" or "Alien" movies) they are part of an ongoing series. Those kinds of entertainments now seem like a blip in the continuum.


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Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:33 pm to
The Godzilla movie he is referencing came out in 2014.

The rest of his article is bullshite though.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:38 pm to
I don't care what you call it, the ability to get how quality films and shows in multiple formats and modes is awesome.
Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:43 pm to
On one side you have this pompous a-hole

On the other you have that fat dweeb who cried at the star wars trailer


Who you pickin?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:43 pm to
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Who you pickin?

Neither?
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:45 pm to
You have people who enjoy having a variety of quality entertainment to chose from and don’t give a turtle fart what some asshat with a blog or too much soy in their system thinks.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35376 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:54 pm to
Oh frick this dude


He probably likes all those movies that win awards and make $17 at the box office
Posted by LSUlunatic
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 6:59 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 7:24 pm
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:20 pm to
he seems fun
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
35376 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:22 pm to
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The medium of TV is able to accentuate these things far greater than the "cinematic" experience.



Agreed. Imagine GOT as a movie and how much it would suck
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
30922 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:26 pm to
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On the other you have that fat dweeb who cried at the star wars trailer


at least the fat dweeb isn't miserable
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29137 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 7:41 pm to
The new order of tv/film is insanely friendly for consumers. I can watch what I want when I want. Sorry if that triggers some old dudes.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:00 pm to
I'm sure this guy thought that toys in Happy Meals in the early 90s would mean the death of independent film and "real" cinema as well. They guy is worried stand alone films will get forced out completely to digital streaming services and lose their meaning to exist, but that's not how markets work.
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
4841 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 8:58 pm to
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The rest of his article is bull shite though


Only read the portion captioned by OP. What about what he is saying is incorrect?

TV does dominate popular culture, and people make more of a point of going to theaters for big event films. In the part captioned at least, he doesn't shite on Marvel or Star Wars; they are enterprise defined by their corporate branding. No one, outside of moviegoers in the 1950s, is going to see a movie called Ant-Man without the attached Marvel name.

Do you guys go to the theater for smaller films you know will be available digitally in 6 weeks? Most people, and most of you, do not.

I do think the writer uses a bit of hyperbolic language, but the internet is all about getting those clicks.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 8:59 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59104 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 9:09 pm to
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Sorry if that triggers some old dudes.


What “triggers” him is most of what you are watching when you want, where you want is crap
Posted by PowerTool
The dark side of the road
Member since Dec 2009
21153 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 9:16 pm to
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I do think the writer uses a bit of hyperbolic language, but the internet is all about getting those clicks.


Gist of his article: "Something is changing, I'm not exactly sure what it is or what it means, so I'm gonna call it - DUN DUN DUUUUNNNN - THE DEATH OF CINEMA!!!"
Posted by MoneyShot
Member since Jan 2013
4319 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 9:18 pm to
Hipster douche cinematic "critic" doesn't like mainstream film.

More at 10:00.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158760 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 9:45 pm to
Anyone who calls it “cinema” is usually a self important tool
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89528 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 9:57 pm to
This splintering of content is a democratization of it, to a degree. This is good and bad. We're in an almost Golden Age squared of content with multiple avenues to almost unheard of quality and quantity of content, if that's your bag.

On the other hand, this poses a huge challenge - how to filter out what you don't want (whether it is not very good or good, but not your cup of tea) from what you want.

This kind of reminds me of the explosion of content on the web - Wikipedia has tons of content (of varying degrees of value) - for the longest time, Google was merely a search engine and, maybe, email provider (before it became the behemoth it is). Even before its explosion, Google was worth billions while Wikipedia is always begging for money like your ne'er do well cousin.

Something will have to arise like Google to allow users to isolate the content (and increasingly, provider) they want, as now the overall cost of the content is hitting it's logarithmic ascent with potentially a dozen or more major streaming services, all with exclusivity deals, beckoning for your $15 to $20 a month within just a few years

Interesting times, indeed.
This post was edited on 4/30/19 at 9:58 pm
Posted by Jay Are
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
4841 posts
Posted on 4/30/19 at 9:59 pm to
quote:

so I'm gonna call it - DUN DUN DUUUUNNNN - THE DEATH OF CINEMA!!!"


But now you've countered his hyperbolic language with increasingly hyperbolic language
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