re: Even for all the finale&#39;s faults, Jon&#39;s last scenes have stuck

Posted by buckeye_vol

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 1:10 pm to St Augustine

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I thought he did a great job thinking out his post. At least he didn’t just parrot the take of the binge mode hosts.

I thought the same thing when when the two posters (almost back to back) used AGENCY.

Posted by dnm3305

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 2:24 pm to TigerstuckinMS

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Further, Greyworm didn't dictate the punishment. It was a compromise. It's why Tyrion talked about the compromise when he delivered Jon his sentence.

Oh, you mean the scene where Greyworm, a secondary character at best, hollered at prisoner Tyrion to not speak as if he were a dog, (why even bring him out to this random meeting of the remaining kingdoms then), and then 5 seconds later Tyrion is the one dictating the entire meeting and even goes so far to nominate the next King and call for a vote? Greyworm is then just chilling “yea, nevermind, sorry for hollering at you, you got this.” shite like that?

Posted by Baloo

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 2:30 pm to Jack Ruby

I agree with most of the OP, Jon does have a tragic arc, but I think the ending is fitting. He returns to the Wall, which is now simply a project for helping the wildlings, and then he just leaves all this BS behind and goes to the one place that ever made him happy.

He can now live out the rest of his life free, and with no responsibility or duty to anyone else. Love is the death of duty, and his duty died as he walks away from his banishment on the Wall. I suspect almost everyone involved in the compromise knew he would wander off as well. Let the guy be happy.

I do think people are underestimating Grey Worm's negotiating position. His army holds the capital and Jon is his prisoner. He'd be within his legal right to simply execute Jon for the crime of regicide. Grey Worm doesn't really want to stick around Westeros any longer, but he also doesn't want to see Dany's killer get off scot free. Banishment is at least a punishment and forfeiting all of his titles means the True Targaryan heir things doesn't play, which due to Varys is now an open secret.

Posted by ZappBrannigan

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:01 pm to jrodLSUke

Do monsters and mad queens deserve words before they shuffle off the mortal coil?

Posted by PeteRose

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:39 pm to Baloo

Except Jon’s character was built on duty, not about being happy. Didn’t wanted to be lord commander, but did. Didn’t wanted king of the north but did. Didn’t want to kill Dany but did. All of a sudden, he’s locked in a cell, crying for a month, then sent to the wall? After all he did, his story ends up with him being a chump.

Posted by Baloo

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 4:54 pm to PeteRose

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Except Jon’s character was built on duty, not about being happy.

Yes, which is why it is such a blessing for him to finally be relieved of that duty. The Hand of the King explicitly told him that he no longer had any more duty to uphold. Jon finally got what he wanted... the end of duty. That's what makes his ending so fitting and a just reward. Being king would have meant more duty. Now, he has none.

Posted by Philzilla2k

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 6:34 pm to rt3

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wasn't that just b/c of all the incest going on in the Targ family?

No, I don’t think the Targs work that way, Dany (mad)was the product of incest, as was Rhaegar (not mad) and Viserys (mad). But the mad king Aerys wasn’t a product of incest, his father Aegon (Egg if you read those stories) married Betha Blackwood.
There is something magical about Targaryens.

This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 6:41 pm

Posted by SoDakHawk

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 7:39 pm to Madking

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The unsullied are leaving the country, who gives a shite about their justice. Jon is the rightful king and this wasn’t even brought up at the meeting. This ending and season fails on so many levels it’s unbelievable.

This right here. The Iron Islands and Dorne fall into line supporting Jon if they know the entire story of his lineage and everything he did to save the world of man from the NK, and then saved Westeros from what was sure to be a bloody conquest by Dany. "From Winterfell to Dorne" she said. Dany was going to go on a bloody rampage of conquest.

Posted by Huge Richard

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Posted on 5/21/19 at 8:33 pm to Baloo

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Yes, which is why it is such a blessing for him to finally be relieved of that duty. The Hand of the King explicitly told him that he no longer had any more duty to uphold. Jon finally got what he wanted... the end of duty. That's what makes his ending so fitting and a just reward. Being king would have meant more duty. Now, he has none.

I’m sorry but that is lame AF.