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re: Emily Wilson claims Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey is too woke...
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:14 pm to drizztiger
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:14 pm to drizztiger
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You certainly can’t leave a valid review of a movie you’ve never seen.
Same goes for a car review you’ve never rode in or driven,
I completely agree, but you can discuss a lot about a car without driving it. Two door, four door, suspension, engine, etc. It would be dishonest to claim "this car drives like shite" if you never drove it but "this car doesn't interest me" or "I think it's going to be underpowered" don't require a drive.
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Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:18 pm to drizztiger
Yea, you had the good stuff. Crazy how that basically became another reality it’s so advanced now.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:19 pm to Flats
quote:I have zero issues with that.
I completely agree, but you can discuss a lot about a car without driving it. Two door, four door, suspension, engine, etc. It would be dishonest to claim "this car drives like shite" if you never drove it but "this car doesn't interest me" or "I think it's going to be underpowered" don't require a drive.
It’s more of the “the movie sucks” and is a “woke piece of garbage” that can’t be stated without seeing the movie. Not being enamored with the casting reveals isn’t an issue either, but that doesn’t equate to knowing the quality of the movie without viewing it.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:29 pm to drizztiger
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It’s more of the “the movie sucks” and is a “woke piece of garbage” that can’t be stated without seeing the movie.
Again, we're in agreement.
Where we probably aren't is that I don't see that as much different than screaming "You haven't seen it!!!!!" any time someone questions a decision the director made.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:37 pm to Flats
Can I get an answer to the riddle of Telemachus? He’s 20-21 in the story so was Agamemnon going to take a newborn to war? Why hasn’t he come of age yet, Odysseus inherited the throne at 13? If he’s 12 or 13 or 16 as some have said how was Agamemnon going to take him to Troy 4 years before he’s born? The movie doesn’t make any sense.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:37 pm to drizztiger
Dumb? I’m the one who deals in facts, whereas you chodes can only produce ad hominems.
literally voted.
A 2:30 AM ballot dump in 2020 is more valid - please.
literally voted.
A 2:30 AM ballot dump in 2020 is more valid - please.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:42 pm to Madking
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Can I get an answer to the riddle of Telemachus? He’s 20-21 in the story so was Agamemnon going to take a newborn to war? Why hasn’t he come of age yet, Odysseus inherited the throne at 13? If he’s 12 or 13 or 16 as some have said how was Agamemnon going to take him to Troy 4 years before he’s born? The movie doesn’t make any sense.
Because in ancient Greece it wasn't just about being the son of the king. You also had to have the support of the noble families as well as proven yourself a capable warrior. As you can see from the film, the suitors were all men from wealthy noble families who had no respect for Telemachus at all.
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:44 pm to Flats
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Where we probably aren't is that I don't see that as much different than screaming "You haven't seen it!!!!!" any time someone questions a decision the director made.
No one has done this to you.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:47 pm to RollTide1987
The suitors were the children of the men who went off to war. They’re Telemachus’ age and we saw them as children together. That still doesn’t even attempt to answer the question, it’s just a deflection attempt.
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:50 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I’m not sure I’ve ever interacted with someone as oblivious to their surroundings as you are. It’s not you, it’s everyone else besides you. When the poster that most agrees with your takes is named The Pirate King, you need a long gaze into the mirror.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:50 pm to Madking
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Can I get an answer to the riddle of Telemachus? He’s 20-21 in the story so was Agamemnon going to take a newborn to war? Why hasn’t he come of age yet, Odysseus inherited the throne at 13? If he’s 12 or 13 or 16 as some have said how was Agamemnon going to take him to Troy 4 years before he’s born? The movie doesn’t make any sense.
This is your logic problem in the movie? This is a pretzel of your own creation. It's not about Telemachus's age, Odysseus did not mean agamemnon was going to conscription the child in the army, and Telemachus definitely isn't 12, 13, or 16 in the movie.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:52 pm to Jay Are
It’s one example in a movie filled with them and you should learn how to read.
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:57 pm to Madking
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He’s 20-21 in the story so was Agamemnon going to take a newborn to war?
He is the same age as Homer intended. He wasn’t going to be taken to join the war. He was going to take him as a hostage to force Odysseus to join him.
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If he’s 12 or 13 or 16 as some have said how was Agamemnon going to take him to Troy 4 years before he’s born? The movie doesn’t make any sense.
He was literally an infant in the scene where Odysseus discusses this.
It’s not Nolan’s fault you didn’t pay attention.
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 7:59 pm to Esquire
Sorry you can’t do math and can’t be honest. Not my fault or responsibility. Fail
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:01 pm to Madking
You’re the one that can’t do math. He was a baby when Odysseus left and he returned 20 years later. That makes him 20-21. Where you got 13-15 is beyond me.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:01 pm to Madking
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one example in a movie filled with them and you should learn how to read.
But your example shows you either were not paying attention or are film illiterate.
They are not all the same age. We know this, because we see a late teens Antinous before the war, when Telemachus is still a small child. There are also, very clearly, older men present as suitors.
Even if Telemachus is around 25, the suitors still perceive him to have the power of a child, and he has done nothing to disabuse them of this notion.
This is not a logic issue. This is a character arc, born out of narrative conflict. An arc that is fully present in Homer's Odyssey. I thought you were annoyed with story changes that don't work.
Eta: changed a doesn't to don't.
This post was edited on 7/23/26 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:01 pm to Jay Are
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No one has done this to you.
People acting like twats isn’t anything that’s done to me, I’m just reading words on a screen and making an observation. Maybe you think the internet is a little more serious than it actually is.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:01 pm to Madking
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The suitors were the children of the men who went off to war. They’re Telemachus’ age and we saw them as children together. That still doesn’t even attempt to answer the question, it’s just a deflection attempt.
Dude...it answers the question completely. Primogeniture was not a standard practice in ancient Greece as it pertained to royalty. If the son of a king was seen as weak or unworthy, a stronger son from another noble house could easily supplant him.
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:02 pm to Esquire
Sorry you can’t read either
Posted on 7/23/26 at 8:02 pm to RollTide1987
lol Jesus you people are dishonest
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