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re: Casablanca

Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:33 pm to
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:33 pm to
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I learned a long time ago not to look at older movies like a movie, but more like a play on a stage. Because for the most part, that is what they looked like up until the 60's or so. They are all filmed the same way, the actors over act like in theater, just like watching a play.



You haven't watched very many pre 60s movies have you?
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:39 pm to
No, I just put that up there for someone to make a comment.
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:42 pm to
Well that's what I figured. Only somebody who hasn't seen very many would make a blanket statement that they are all overacted and all filmed the same way.


There were no different type of actors? All the legendary film director didn't have their own unique style? They all had the same cinematography and same visuals?


There's really no difference between say a Sam Fuller Noir and a Douglas Sirk Melodrama? Come on now.
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 1:48 pm
Posted by Hideo Nomo
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:43 pm to
quote:


I learned a long time ago not to look at older movies like a movie, but more like a play on a stage. Because for the most part, that is what they looked like up until the 60's or so. They are all filmed the same way, the actors over act like in theater, just like watching a play.


Well I'm singing in the rain
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:52 pm to
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Well that's what I figured. Only somebody who hasn't seen very many would make a blanket statement that they are all overacted and all filmed the same way.
Why don't you read what I wrote again. I didn't say all of them are over acted or shot in the same way did I?

I've made it a point to watch a lot of "classics" from the 30's, 40's and 50's. And most of them are shot in what is basically a 2 dimensional style, and the actors would be considered over acting by today's movie standards. It reminds me of watching a play. Also, the dialogue is much more like a play. Today's actors are much more in tune to their body language and subtlties and facial expressions.

I didn't mean it to be a blanket statement, but for the most part it is true.
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 1:55 pm to
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Today's actors are much more in tune to their body language and subtlties and facial expressions



James Cagney would blow any modern actor out of the water in that regard. I guess I'll just have to respectfully disagree with you on this.
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Posted by parrotdr
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 3:50 pm to
One of my favorite exchanges in the movie:

quote:

Yvonne: Where were you last night?
Rick: That's so long ago, I don't remember.
Yvonne: Will I see you tonight?
Rick: I never make plans that far ahead.


I often try to use Rick's philosophy here, but real life never sets me up as perfectly as the movies...
Posted by wilfont
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 3:56 pm to
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but real life never sets me up as perfectly as the movies

Actually that's kinda Rickesque in itself.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 4:02 pm to
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ames Cagney would blow any modern actor out of the water in that regard.


Posted by nikinik
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 5:05 pm to
I didn't think it was all that.

If you want a good old movie to watch...check out...

The Maltese Falcon
Posted by ornagestorm
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:11 pm to
Almost every actor in the movie was great. A bit of movie nerd trivia that I heard a while back. The original movie poster for Casablanca shows rick with a gun, he never held a gun in the entire movie they added it to the poster.



Posted by IonaTiger
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:13 pm to
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The original movie poster for Casablanca shows rick with a gun, he never held a gun in the entire movie


He did when he shot Major Strasser.

ETA: And when he had Louis fill out the letters of transit. He said "This gun is pointed right at your heart". Louis' response was "That's my least vulnerable place".
This post was edited on 8/12/09 at 9:20 pm
Posted by TheeGamecock
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 9:44 pm to
Random: The guys you can see in the background in the final scenes at the airport are actually midgets.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 8/12/09 at 10:40 pm to
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Claude Rains is the man in that movie.


On of my favorite characters/performances of all time.

Posted by blueslover
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Posted on 8/13/09 at 8:43 am to
Agree that it is not monumental but it is iconish.

Some great characters and performances but the dialogue is incredible.

There is a degree of adjustment many must make to appreciate older films. I always remind people that many were filmed on budgets (even accounting inflation) that would be surpassed by modern indie productions. A great lot were filmed in weeks or minimal months. Number of takes, production values, and editing all were handicapped compared to today. Look past that at the stories/script and you can find gems. I love noir and have never tired of Maltese Falcon, Double Indemnity, etc

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Posted by PJinAtl
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Posted on 8/13/09 at 10:27 am to
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There is a degree of adjustment many must make to appreciate older films. I always remind people that many were filmed on budgets (even accounting inflation) that would be surpassed by modern indie productions. A great lot were filmed in weeks or minimal months. Number of takes, production values, and editing all were handicapped compared to today.
Very true. Also remember that Casablanca was released in the midst of WW2. The movie was rushed into distribution to take advantage of the publicity of the Allies making headway in North Africa.

From an earlier post:
quote:

I learned a long time ago not to look at older movies like a movie, but more like a play on a stage. Because for the most part, that is what they looked like up until the 60's or so. They are all filmed the same way, the actors over act like in theater, just like watching a play.
That's not true for all pre 1960s movies. Look at films like Gone With the Wind and Wizard of Oz - I don't think those can be lumped into any type of generalization about movies made in that era. One thing to remember though is that many movies in the "classics" era were drawn from plays that had been done on the stage before being moved to film. Kazan's film version of Streetcar not only was drawn directly from the stageplay but starred actors who had performed in it on stage (Brandon, Malden and Hunter on Broadway; Leigh in London). Casablanca was also drawn from a play - it had never been staged, but at the heart it is a play moved to film.
Posted by andouille
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Posted on 8/14/09 at 6:13 am to
I only know one person who has watched Casablanca and not enoyed it, and he is the kind of guy who read his last book the day he finished school. He refuses to watch a movie without female frontal nudity (not that it doesn't add a lot to the experience).

Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 8/14/09 at 6:26 am to
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He refuses to watch a movie without female frontal nudity


If he ever finds Ingrid Bergman's nude outtakes, let me know.
Posted by zeebo
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Posted on 8/14/09 at 11:14 am to
this is also a movie you have to watch many times, before you appreciate every line is perfect, many are droll or very dry jokes, that are not noticed the first few times.

it is also a flip of the boy gets girl; boy gives up girl and in so doing, saves himself, the girl, and the world.

very small details are all just perfect.
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 8/14/09 at 11:17 am to
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He refuses to watch a movie without female frontal nudity



Sounds like he has a porn addiction.
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