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re: Captain America: Civil War RT Watch | 92% (213-19) 7.7 avg
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:46 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:46 pm to OMLandshark
I see a lot of people bashing Iron Man 3 and AoU.
Personally, there hasn't been a movie in this Marvel Universe that I've left the theatre thinking, wow. I literally just wasted money seeing this.
I own all of them that are available on Amazon and I'll probably continue to purchase them.
Can't wait to see Civil War.
Personally, there hasn't been a movie in this Marvel Universe that I've left the theatre thinking, wow. I literally just wasted money seeing this.
I own all of them that are available on Amazon and I'll probably continue to purchase them.
Can't wait to see Civil War.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:49 pm to abellsujr
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Why do people still not understand? It's not about the tone. It's not about the "grittiness" or the "darkness". It's not about the "fun" or the "lightness". It's about first and foremost making a good movie. A good story. It's about piecing that story together that makes a movie good or not. It's about the execution. It's about the characterization. Doing a good job establishing interesting characters. We've seen good "dark" superhero movies and bad. We've seen good "light" superhero movies and bad. It's not about the tone when it comes to overall acceptance and quality of it. That's the fact of the matter.
That's all great, but are you really going to argue that this new Superman isn't interesting? You may not like it, but to say he's not interesting? That's really terrible. I loved that they gave him a true, believable origin. I loved that they didn't just introduce him as a god-like boy scout whom the whole world is smitten with. He's learning his place in the world. This Superman is the most human Superman we've ever had in a live action movie. He makes mistakes. The whole world isn't smitten with him. His actions actually carry some weight to them and they are criticized by the people in his world. I love that.
I will coincide that the editing for BvS was crap but this isn't the first time a studio has done this to the detriment of a movie. They should have just realized their original 3 hour cut and let that be that. From what I understand, they had to cut some of Batman's warehouse fight because it was "too brutal" and they had to cut down on the Doomsday fight because his evolution got really brutal as well - he had a lot more spikes and they showed them coming out of him a lot more.
And Ben Affleck is the best live-action Batman. I loved Bale as Batman despite the Godfather bat voice they gave him in TDK, but Ben was the best Bruce and the best Batman. I can't wait to see more of him.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:52 pm to OMLandshark
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Ultron is a mass murdering unstable psycho who kills people by the millions
Well you had to have known that Disney wasn't going to put this in any movie they do.
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Zod really just wants to rule
In Man of Steel? His "purpose" was to ensure the survival of his species. He literally says that right before his throwdown with Superman.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:53 pm to MrTide33
My top 5
1. Winter Soldier
2. Avengers
3. GotG
4. Iron Man
5. ...I agree this one is tough, probably Thor
I think Civil War and Dr. Strange both wind up in my top 6, the latter could well be at the top.
Also think Thor:Ragnarok, GotG2, Spiderman, & Infinity War all have great potential. Marvel has done an excellent job setting up their universe and, amazingly, keep topping themselves
1. Winter Soldier
2. Avengers
3. GotG
4. Iron Man
5. ...I agree this one is tough, probably Thor
I think Civil War and Dr. Strange both wind up in my top 6, the latter could well be at the top.
Also think Thor:Ragnarok, GotG2, Spiderman, & Infinity War all have great potential. Marvel has done an excellent job setting up their universe and, amazingly, keep topping themselves
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:54 pm to The Last Son
quote:If watching stupid characters is interesting to you, then more power to you. I guess maybe if it were a comedy, sure. Maybe like Dumb and Dumber or something.
but are you really going to argue that this new Superman isn't interesting?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:57 pm to abellsujr
How is this Superman character stupid??
Posted on 4/13/16 at 8:59 pm to The Last Son
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Well to be fair, it was. Granted that's not saying much. Disney movies are never going to be too dark or gritty.
Ummm, have you seen this movie?
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:09 pm to dawgfan24348
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I think my biggest gripe was the trailer depicted something far different then what we were given
Yeah, they were entirely misleading. Like that one quote: "People will look to the sky and see hope. I'll take that from them first." No you just tried to kill everyone without anyone knowing who you were.
When Ultron first escaped, he should have notified everyone in the world of his existence, who created him, and his goals. His next action would be to massacre a major city, with the Avengers being forced to retreat. The next city Ultron eviscerates, the Avengers don't even try to stop Ultron knowing that he's grown too powerful, and the whole world turns against the Avengers. Then in the final city, they finally are ready to take him on.
Once they stop him, I'd just have Ultron go into hibernation to wait for Thanos, and then just him laughing that he ripped the Avengers completely apart, perfectly setting up Civil War. Then bring him back for Infinity War and have Part 2 be the Avengers vs Thanos vs Ultron
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:10 pm to OMLandshark
That was 20 years ago. Disney has done nothing remotely that dark since then.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:12 pm to OMLandshark
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When Ultron first escaped, he should have notified everyone in the world of his existence, who created him, and his goals. His next action would be to massacre a major city, with the Avengers being forced to retreat. The next city Ultron eviscerates, the Avengers don't even try to stop Ultron knowing that he's grown too powerful, and the whole world turns against the Avengers. Then in the final city, they finally are ready to take him on
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:15 pm to The Last Son
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Well you had to have known that Disney wasn't going to put this in any movie they do.
Well, the trailers highly, highly implied this. So at best it was false advertising.
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In Man of Steel? His "purpose" was to ensure the survival of his species. He literally says that right before his throwdown with Superman.
Why did he have to kill everyone on the planet to do this? He could simply rule humanity and also bring back the Kryptonians. I thought Zod had more of a God complex than anything else, to where I don't think he would have wanted to kill off everyone; he'd want them to worship him.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:28 pm to tubucoco
quote:Spoilers for BvS.......
How is this Superman character stupid??
In BvS? Well, for starters, he let's Batman piss him off instead of doing what he came there to do, save his mom. Batman throws a a couple of things at him that were a non threat and drives his arse through a building. He has routinely let his emotions control him.
He gets fooled by a kryptonite bullet a second time.
He goes in to kill Doomsday with the kryptonite spear, knowing he would be completely open and weak. Now he's dead. All just so Snyder could have Bruce Wayne find the Justice League.
And as far as him being interesting? My god, he might be the most uninteresting superhero iteration I've ever seen. He's consistently either whining or angry. He actually makes a better villain. They're basically pointing towards that. I mean, what kind of person goes insane enough for you to hold the entire world hostage? What Batman saw was a possible future, right? That means the death of either Lois or Martha pisses him off enough to fricking turn the world into the Apocalypse. Really that's pretty stupid in itself. That shows a very high level of unintelligence to let something like that cause you to fricking destroy the world.
Hey man. If you find that interesting in your superheros, more power to you.
ETA: Superman is stupid because Snyder is stupid. It's that simple.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:35 pm to OMLandshark
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Well, the trailers highly, highly implied this. So at best it was false advertising.
The trailers certainly implied it was going to be their darkest and grittiest movie to date (it pretty much is now that I think about it), but I never got the impression that Ultron was going to kill millions, much less billions from the trailers. Granted, he did attempt to do so with the Sokovian city meteor and Maria Hill did say he was trying to access nuclear codes and such but wasn't able to get through (because of Jarvis).
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Why did he have to kill everyone on the planet to do this
Did you watch the movie? Krypton had a different atmosphere than our own. It wasn't the same kind of planet as our own. Hence the World Engine.
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He could simply rule humanity and also bring back the Kryptonians.
No he couldn't have. He was born and bred to ensure the safety and survival of Krypton and its citizens. Think of it like The Giver. Everyone was created for a purpose and his purpose was to be the sword and shield of his people. Besides, if he kept Earth as it was and tried to breed more Kryptonians on Earth, then there would be millions or billions of God-like beings flying around and if you don't know why that's terrible for a functioning society, then I've got nothing for you.
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I thought Zod had more of a God complex than anything else
There was literally nothing in the movie that gave off this impression. Nothing. No dialogue, no action, nothing. His character was as straightforward and direct as it gets. His goals were directly laid out via dialogue and his actions. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a more direct and easy to understand villain in any superhero movie to date.
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to where I don't think he would have wanted to kill off everyone; he'd want them to worship him.
This sounds like a projection of what you wanted him to be rather than what he actually was. You can't enjoy movies if you are constantly thinking about what you want them to be rather than enjoying what is actually presented to you.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:44 pm to abellsujr
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Well, for starters, he let's Batman piss him off instead of doing what he came there to do, save his mom. Batman throws a a couple of things at him that were a non threat and drives his arse through a building. He has routinely let his emotions control him.
It's not like Batman was there waiting for him with a table and glass of wine for them to discuss their issues over. He was ready to throw down with Superman. Once it started there was really never any opportunity to explain what was going on until his boot was on his throat and he was making a last second plea for his mother's life. This is an extreme reach.
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He gets fooled by a kryptonite bullet a second time.
Do what? Did you even watch the movie?
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He goes in to kill Doomsday with the kryptonite spear, knowing he would be completely open and weak. Now he's dead. All just so Snyder could have Bruce Wayne find the Justice League.
And who else was going to use the spear? Wonder Woman was already throwing down with Doomsday keeping him occupied so that he wouldn't go HAM on the rest of the city. Batman was basically an ant amongst giants. Superman did the only thing he could do, fly that spear up in there and hope that he doesn't get killed first. That's what heroes do. They sacrifice themselves. That's what you know, makes them heroes.
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He's consistently either whining or angry
Wow you haven't watched either movie have you? That's such a cliche shitty criticism that has no basis in reality that I'm not even going to bother deconstructing how foolish you sound making it.
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I mean, what kind of person goes insane enough for you to hold the entire world hostage?
Well for one, he's not a person. Two, history is full of men who have tried to conquer the whole world. Genghis Khan, Alexander, Hitler, etc. Men with power tend to only want one thing: more power.
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What Batman saw was a possible future, right? That means the death of either Lois or Martha pisses him off enough to fricking turn the world into the Apocalypse. Really that's pretty stupid in itself. That shows a very high level of unintelligence to let something like that cause you to fricking destroy the world.
Jesus dude.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:47 pm to The Last Son
My God. You are the most blind fan boy I've seen in some time. 
Have a nice life. 
Have a nice life. 
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:49 pm to The Last Son
So, back to discussing Civil War . . .
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:50 pm to The Last Son
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Did you watch the movie? Krypton had a different atmosphere than our own. It wasn't the same kind of planet as our own. Hence the World Engine.
It also made it abundantly clear this was simply a temporary inconvenience. They just needed to adjust. I don't think you can use a few minutes of pain to justify killing literally everyone.
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No he couldn't have. He was born and bred to ensure the safety and survival of Krypton and its citizens. Think of it like The Giver. Everyone was created for a purpose and his purpose was to be the sword and shield of his people. Besides, if he kept Earth as it was and tried to breed more Kryptonians on Earth, then there would be millions or billions of God-like beings flying around and if you don't know why that's terrible for a functioning society, then I've got nothing for you.
First off he only manipulated the atmosphere and not the Sun. Unless Zod was going after the Sun next to make it more like Kryptons, then they would still have super powers.
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There was literally nothing in the movie that gave off this impression. Nothing. No dialogue, no action, nothing. His character was as straightforward and direct as it gets. His goals were directly laid out via dialogue and his actions. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a more direct and easy to understand villain in any superhero movie to date.
This sounds like a projection of what you wanted him to be rather than what he actually was. You can't enjoy movies if you are constantly thinking about what you want them to be rather than enjoying what is actually presented to you.
But every iteration up to this point had Zod having a massive God complex. It would be like the Joker not having a sense of humor. It's a pretty defining part of his character.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:50 pm to Methuselah
I think in the spirit of civil war, it should only be Marvel fanboys arguing in this thread.Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:53 pm to MrTide33
quote:You see what I have to deal with from my own kind.
I think in the spirit of civil war, it should only be Marvel fanboys arguing in this thread.
He's the reason DC can't have nice things. 
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