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BTTF time travel quesiton / Johnny B Goode
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/20/19 at 1:59 pm
Probably a simple answer here I'm overlooking but this was bugging me in the shower this morning.
-In real life, Chuck Berry writes the song JBG in 1958.
-In BTTF, Marty at some point in his young life hears the song and likes it and learns to play it.
-In 1985, Marty time travels back to 1955 to the enchantment under the sea dance and plays the song for the first time (in this world)
-Chuck's cousin Marvin phones up Chuck and has him listen to the song. In this world, 3 years later Chuck would end up composing and playing the song that would then become famous.
So, in BTTF-world, who actually wrote the song johnny b good? I know the painfully obvious answer is "chuck berry, duh" because that's what happens IRL and how Marty is aware of the song in the 80s. But on the flip side, the only reason Chuck Berry writes the song is because he hears Marty play it 3 years earlier in 1955.
-In real life, Chuck Berry writes the song JBG in 1958.
-In BTTF, Marty at some point in his young life hears the song and likes it and learns to play it.
-In 1985, Marty time travels back to 1955 to the enchantment under the sea dance and plays the song for the first time (in this world)
-Chuck's cousin Marvin phones up Chuck and has him listen to the song. In this world, 3 years later Chuck would end up composing and playing the song that would then become famous.
So, in BTTF-world, who actually wrote the song johnny b good? I know the painfully obvious answer is "chuck berry, duh" because that's what happens IRL and how Marty is aware of the song in the 80s. But on the flip side, the only reason Chuck Berry writes the song is because he hears Marty play it 3 years earlier in 1955.
This post was edited on 5/20/19 at 2:00 pm
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Posted on 5/20/19 at 2:02 pm to WG_Dawg
It's called a "closed time loop" or "Causal Loop".
A Bootstrap paradox - the information (in this case, the song), has no real origin - the data itself is caught in the loop.
So who wrote the song?
Neither of them did.
A Bootstrap paradox - the information (in this case, the song), has no real origin - the data itself is caught in the loop.
So who wrote the song?
Neither of them did.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 2:04 pm to WG_Dawg
Obviously it creates a bit of a paradox, but the idea is that Marty gives Chuck the idea of the song thanks to Marvin making the phone call.
It was supposed to be a little chuckle in the movie, but if you overanalyze it too much, it doesn't make much sense.
Just like George and Lorraine don't recognize Marty as literally the same guy they knew back in high school, or anybody else at the school not recognizing that Johnny B. Goode was played at their HS dance long before Chuck berry made it famous.
It was supposed to be a little chuckle in the movie, but if you overanalyze it too much, it doesn't make much sense.
Just like George and Lorraine don't recognize Marty as literally the same guy they knew back in high school, or anybody else at the school not recognizing that Johnny B. Goode was played at their HS dance long before Chuck berry made it famous.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:02 pm to WG_Dawg
Maybe theyll explain it in the reboot in 20 years when all the people who hold the rights are dead.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:05 pm to SEClint
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Maybe theyll explain it in the reboot in 20 years when all the people who hold the rights are dead.
with an all female cast
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:07 pm to 225bred
BACK
TO
THE
FEMALES
TO
THE
FEMALES
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:10 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:40 pm to WG_Dawg
Songs don't have to be written to be played. Happens all the time with jam sessions leading to actual written productions.
Several musicians freelancing, jamming, a catchy riff emerges, riff gets expounded upon, lyrics tied to riff, song emerges. Now who gets credit for said song? Answer: 1st one to actually publish it.
In the BTTF Johnny B Goode scenario, song stays Chuck's as he is the one to actually publish it.
Several musicians freelancing, jamming, a catchy riff emerges, riff gets expounded upon, lyrics tied to riff, song emerges. Now who gets credit for said song? Answer: 1st one to actually publish it.
In the BTTF Johnny B Goode scenario, song stays Chuck's as he is the one to actually publish it.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:41 pm to WG_Dawg
Endgame says Back the The Future time travel is bull shite.
Yet as I type this, in BBTF 2 Doc explained parallel realities. So it's not that different than Endgame.
Yet as I type this, in BBTF 2 Doc explained parallel realities. So it's not that different than Endgame.
Posted on 5/20/19 at 3:53 pm to theunknownknight
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