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re: Breaking Bad S5E15 9/22 "Granite State"

Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:54 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:54 am to
quote:

PLAUSIBLE that jesse finds a way to go out with a bang and take todd with him (the only nazi it seems that is interested enough to go into the meth lab). jesse kills todd (and himself) and hopefully it happens with a classic 'eat this blue meth BITCH!'


Well - they did set up that Todd started a fire -but he also seems to learn - he knew what he did wrong on the last cook he did by himself. I'll be watching for a minor glitch during a cook - if that happens early in the episode - Jesse might use that as a pretext to take Todd out and somehow blame Todd for it to the Nazis - just to buy time at that point. Let us not forget that Jesse is just as much a survivor as Walt.

Todd is smart enough to know that Walt and Jesse are significantly better than he will probably ever be at cooking meth, so he may choose to just manage and observe - rather than actually cause any problems/accidents. However, Jesse did witness Walt do all that crazy stuff in the lab - he might just decide to go out with a bang and he really owes Todd, now twice.
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 9:56 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95578 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 9:59 am to
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Or it could be that he just doesn't give a shite about the game or whether he wins or loses and was desparate for company...most likely scenario.


This is certainly true at the surface level - you're paying the guy to play cards with you - WTF do you care if he cheats and wins a little, too.

But, it is symbolic (this show goes to great lengths to employ literary devices) and Walt is a terrible poker player, because his risks aren't calculated - he's more of a chess player, always thinking several moves ahead.

It may symbolize he doesn't really care about the money anymore or that he is not on guard or not really "playing the game", at least the time. That appears to have changed in the bar.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:00 am to
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they just said there were reports that the blue meth had reached as far as Europe



They said there was still reports of the blue meth in the Southwest and no Europe. Walt knows jesse is cooking because he hasnt cooked in a coons age.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86106 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:01 am to
quote:

They said there was still reports of the blue meth in the Southwest and no Europe.


somebody has to have a transcript of this, right?

they definitely mentioned something about the blue meth reaching Europe
Posted by tiger2012
bossier city/Los Angeles/Atlanta
Member since Sep 2006
4493 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:02 am to
Any thought that the final episode could see the convergence of all the meth players over the years?

Jesse, Walt, nazis, Lydia, Czechs, and cartel (or allies sympathetic)

May not have enough time, but there's no shortage of those who should be looking for revenge.

End it with a Mexican standoff and then the DEA comes in at the end for a clean sweep.

Posted by Charlie Arglist
Wichita, Kansas
Member since Nov 2012
5550 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:06 am to
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4. he won't get his money back. the nazis are too smart to leave it out in the warehouse or somehwere obvious. they will have that money under lock by now.


Then all he has to do is drop a dime on those frickers...
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40313 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:06 am to
quote:

they definitely mentioned something about the blue meth reaching Europe


And in the southwest then he asks if Walter white was still alive.
Posted by HerbEaverstinks
Member since Jan 2011
4515 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:07 am to
What would you do
If it all came back to you
Each crest of each wave
Bright as lightning
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If you had to leave today
Leave everything behind
Even though for once your shining

Standing on higher ground
But when you hear the sounds
You realise it's just a whim
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Who and what you let under your skin

If put to the test
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All emotions and desires

Convince yourself to be someone else
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Your lack of confidence
What you choose to believe in
Dictates your rise or your fall
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With no one else around you
No one to understand you
No one to hear your calls
Look through all your dark corners
When you're backed up against the wall
Step back from the line of fire

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If it all came back to you
Each crest of each wave
Bright as lightning

I'd do the same as you would
do the same as you
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do the same as you
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do the same as you would
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What you choose to believe in
Dictates your rise or your fall

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No one to understand you
No one to hear your calls
Look through all your dark corners
When you're backed up against the wall
Step back from the line of fire
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This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 10:11 am
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:08 am to
quote:

somebody has to have a transcript of this, right?


I posted a youtube clip earlier

LINK

The interviewer said there were still reports of blue meth in the southwest and even reaching Europe. After watching it again, I think there is enough there for Walt to assume the nazis are cooking with Jesse for Lydia
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 10:12 am
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66973 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:11 am to
quote:

The interviewer said there were still reports on blue meth in the southwest and even reaching Europe. After watching it again, I think there is enough there for Walt to assume the nazis are cooking with Jesse for Lydia



Bingo
Posted by rondo
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:19 am to
quote:

They said there was still reports of the blue meth in the Southwest and no Europe.


somebody has to have a transcript of this, right?



They said the blue meth had RESURFACED.
Posted by Sherman Klump
Wellman College
Member since Jul 2011
4571 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:19 am to
Did anyone else think the scene with Todd and his uncle, and Todd said to keep Jesse alive was weird? For a brief second, I thought Jack was going to shoot Todd. But I kept saying to myself, Jack could never do that to Todd. Idk it was weird.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:20 am to
quote:

They said the blue meth had RESURFACED


Not resurfaced, just that there are continued reports of the blue meth being present.
Posted by HerbEaverstinks
Member since Jan 2011
4515 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:24 am to
I will point out once again that in an EW in depth article on the series wrapping up about a month ago, Vince states that it ends up (paraphrasing) with the main characters making the best of the situation they are in.

So, there's that, which serves as the best tease to the finale I've found.
Posted by LSUbacchus
Portland, Oregon
Member since Jul 2012
1803 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:27 am to
Still waiting for the walking dead connection
Posted by Gnar Cat21
Piña Coladaburg
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:29 am to
quote:

Did anyone else think the scene with Todd and his uncle, and Todd said to keep Jesse alive was weird? For a brief second, I thought Jack was going to shoot Todd. But I kept saying to myself, Jack could never do that to Todd. Idk it was weird.



No, I definitely got that same vibe
Posted by HoopyD
Member since Nov 2004
3460 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:29 am to
I think the ricin is for Jesse. Heisenberg (no longer Walt) still wants Jesse dead but he doesn't want him to suffer. Or he perhaps he just doesn't want Jesse making HIS product. Either way, I think he tosses Jesse the ricin in the hole after he takes care of the Nazis.

Jesse has nothing to live for, takes the ricin; making the best of his situation.
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
8036 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:32 am to
Has there been any good speculation on the significance of the name "Felina"?
This post was edited on 9/23/13 at 10:38 am
Posted by HoopyD
Member since Nov 2004
3460 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:35 am to
I think Felina is the love interest in the Marty Robbins song "El Paso". The main character is returning to Felina but is shot in the chest and dies in her arms.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
10063 posts
Posted on 9/23/13 at 10:39 am to
quote:

I think Felina is the love interest in the Marty Robbins song "El Paso". The main character is returning to Felina but is shot in the chest and dies in her arms.


It's Feleena in the song, but there could be a connection there.

I've seen people speculate it's about Walt landing on his feet or having 9 lives like a feline.
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