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Bond 25 Delayed....Again
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:49 am
Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:49 am
New Release Date is now April 2020 due to rewrites
I'm glad they aren't going to force it but it's been a messy few months of pre-production for the next Bond movie. Multiple directors. Rewrites. Delays. Not to mention Craig had to be dragged back into playing Bond.
The lazy ending to Spectre caused them to paint themselves into a corner. That should've been Craig's last movie and the next one should be a reboot or return to the traditional Bond movie where it's loosely affiliated with the others and 007 goes on a mission instead of fighting some ghost from his past.
They’ve done a pretty bad job of following up Casino Royale if you really want to be honest.
I'm glad they aren't going to force it but it's been a messy few months of pre-production for the next Bond movie. Multiple directors. Rewrites. Delays. Not to mention Craig had to be dragged back into playing Bond.
The lazy ending to Spectre caused them to paint themselves into a corner. That should've been Craig's last movie and the next one should be a reboot or return to the traditional Bond movie where it's loosely affiliated with the others and 007 goes on a mission instead of fighting some ghost from his past.
They’ve done a pretty bad job of following up Casino Royale if you really want to be honest.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 11:59 am
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 11:53 am to FairhopeTider
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That should've been Craig's last movie and the next one should be a reboot
A Dr. No reboot would be fantastic.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:05 pm to GetCocky11
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A Dr. No reboot would be fantastic.
My opinion of you is deeply impacted by the stuff you post on this movie/TV board.
How might we go back and reboot Dr. No when Spectre has already been exposed down to its roots?
The next new Bond needs to face off against China or Russia. He needs to be in cahoots with the U.S. and the U.S. needs to have a deeper darker version of the CIA/NSA spy arm .... that ends up being corrupt of course. Something even Felix Leiter is afraid of.
Something funded by big corporate greed in an effort to take over the U.S. and this the world.
They’ll probably play off of the Koch Brothers rather than George Soros or big tech for obvious political reasons of course.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:07 pm to FairhopeTider
I don't know what they can do. I've always been one of the biggest fans, but the franchise just seems tired.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:13 pm to scrooster
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My opinion of you is deeply impacted by the stuff you post on this movie/TV board.
You are so triggered by what I posted on the Gamecock board. Grow up.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:21 pm to FairhopeTider
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They’ve done a pretty bad job of following up Casino Royale if you really want to be honest.
For the most part, yes. But why did everyone sour on Skyfall? That thing was universally praised when it was released but fan opinion has seemed to do a 180. I still love it.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:23 pm to mauser
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I don't know what they can do. I've always been one of the biggest fans, but the franchise just seems tired.
Its because the franchise is tired. How many times can Craig’s Bond battle an “inner demon,” go rogue, and then retire/resign from the service? It’s happened in some form of fashion in every movie with Craig. Quantum of Solace was meh. Skyfall was good but overrated. Spectre was a mess and a blown opportunity with Blofeld.
Make Bond Great Again. Craig is 50 years old and has been Bond for almost 15 years. I like him but it’s about time for something new.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:28 pm to FairhopeTider
They should start completely over with Bond doing a period piece with a mid 20s actor start in the mid 60s going into the end of the Cold War. The last scene would be Bond walking away from the fall of the Berlin Wall with the new designated 007 waiting to assume the reigns.
8-10 movies over the course of 20 years. Kingsman basically gave you the blueprint for the first movie. Atomic Blonde gave you the blueprint for the final movie. Figure it out.
8-10 movies over the course of 20 years. Kingsman basically gave you the blueprint for the first movie. Atomic Blonde gave you the blueprint for the final movie. Figure it out.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:33 pm to RedPants
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For the most part, yes. But why did everyone sour on Skyfall? That thing was universally praised when it was released but fan opinion has seemed to do a 180. I still love it.
I like Skyfall and I’d be very happy if every Bond movie was that caliber. But it was really overhyped after it came out. Then people probably started to process the fact that the 2nd Act was The Dark Knight and the 3rd Act was Home Alone. Not to mention we are 1 movie removed from Casino Royale & Quantum of Solace where Craig’s Bond became an agent and then in Skyfall he’s suddenly this old guy who’s lost a step? The ret-con in Spectre didn’t help matters.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:35 pm to FairhopeTider
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Quantum of Solace was meh
One of the worst ever. The exploding death hotel in the middle of nowhere was absurd. Water? How was stealing and controlling water in an impoverished location a worthwhile plan.
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Skyfall was good but overrated
Wasn't even good. Javier was an interesting villain but that was about it. We can't trust anyone so lets go hang out in my dilapadated mansion and call the enemy to us. Oh and we will defend said mansion with almost no weapons and an old man and old lady.
Spectre. Don't have enough space to discuss how bad that was.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:37 pm to TigerMyth36
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One of the worst ever. The exploding death hotel in the middle of nowhere was absurd. Water? How was stealing and controlling water in an impoverished location a worthwhile plan.
I give QoS a pass because of the writer’s strike and it’s more average than anything. Just nothing memorable about it. It’s been said that it’s a better movie if you watch it right after Casino Royale.
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Wasn't even good. Javier was an interesting villain but that was about it. We can't trust anyone so lets go hang out in my dilapadated mansion and call the enemy to us. Oh and we will defend said mansion with almost no weapons and an old man and old lady.
The visuals of Skyfall are great, Javier has a good performance, but the third act is just strange.
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Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:39 pm to FairhopeTider
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Just nothing memorable about it.
I think this fight scene was beautiful.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 12:43 pm to TigerMyth36
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Spectre. Don't have enough space to discuss how bad that was.
They tried to copy Skyfall’s visuals. Awful title song. Blew their wad on Blofeld & Spectre in one movie. Absolutely ridiculous that they made Bond & Blofeld brothers. Can’t believe that got through the first draft. (You can’t complain about Austin Powers ruining spy movies and then rip off Goldmember.) Did a terrible job of connecting the previous movies and left the franchise with nowhere to go except to rehash storylines.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:41 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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They should start completely over with Bond doing a period piece with a mid 20s actor start in the mid 60s going into the end of the Cold War. The last scene would be Bond walking away from the fall of the Berlin Wall with the new designated 007 waiting to assume the reigns.
8-10 movies over the course of 20 years. Kingsman basically gave you the blueprint for the first movie. Atomic Blonde gave you the blueprint for the final movie. Figure it out.
You are actually pretty close to a notion I suggested once...In my take, I would do a series of Bond Films that actually take place In Between the original Bond Films. Do something that took place between Dr. No and From Russia With Love...
The only problem with this is people nowadays will screw up the canon and inject a bunch of SJW horshit rather than the way the times actually were.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:48 pm to FairhopeTider
I will remain confident so long as Fukunaga is involved. Are the script rewrites at his request?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 1:52 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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They should start completely over with Bond doing a period piece with a mid 20s actor start in the mid 60s going into the end of the Cold War. The last scene would be Bond walking away from the fall of the Berlin Wall with the new designated 007 waiting to assume the reigns.
8-10 movies over the course of 20 years. Kingsman basically gave you the blueprint for the first movie. Atomic Blonde gave you the blueprint for the final movie. Figure it out.
They wouldn’t do a 60s plot along those lines because it would be unrelatable to their modern demographic. Which is why I mentioned China or Russia.
However, China has so much control over Hollywood production and distribution these days that it’s doubtful they will ever again be portrayed in a truthful light as to their intentions on the world stage. Thus it would probably have to be Russian or perhaps even middle eastern or Israeli .... I’m referring to the bad guys of course.
The Bond franchise is in trouble for that reason. It was a franchise built around having bad guys who were relatively clear cut even if they were, at times, muddled somewhat amongst the whole Cold War espionage game. Basically communism and socialism verses Capitalism.
Too many gray areas exist these days. Too many in the world find the James Bonds and Felix Leiters to be the bad guys. Too many these days are rooting for the anarchists to distrupt everything.
A new Bond will be a hard sell.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:05 pm to FairhopeTider
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I give QoS a pass because of the writer’s strike and it’s more average than anything. Just nothing memorable about it.
When I want to criticize QoS, I think about the end of Pierce Brosnan's run. QoS wasn't good, but it wasn't trying to do things like make Denise Richards a nuclear physicist. It just was blah, which was a letdown because it was between two superior movies.
I think Skyfall gets too much hindsight criticism. That was a movie I enjoyed a lot. If you overanalyze, it falls apart, but Bond movies in general don't survive overanalysis. I mean, there are moon bases and **** and the trapped house is a big issue?
Posted on 2/19/19 at 2:19 pm to FairhopeTider
They need to just ignore most of Spectre. When On Her Majestys Secret Service had a lukewarm reception at the time, Diamonds are Forever was written to basically pretend it didn't happen. Sure you had Bond going after Blofeld, but the script never conveyed it to be that personal and I don't think Tracy was ever even mentioned. Of course, in hindsight OHMSS is a top tier bond film and Diamonds are Forever was utter shite (probably why subsequent films mentioned Tracy and Bond being married), but the point is to just ignore the abortion that was Spectre. Pretend Blofeld was never reintroduced. That's the short term fix - the long term issue is figuring out where the franchise is headed. It's in a rut from over-mining the Craig Bond's backstory. Just get back to the pattern of Bond going after some megalomaniac in a standalone fashion.
This post was edited on 2/19/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:06 pm to FairhopeTider
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reboot or return to the traditional Bond movie where it's loosely affiliated with the others and 007 goes on a mission
I kind of thought that was what the producers/directors were alluding to when they cast Ralph Fiennes as the new M and they put him in the old office of the original M and he said that it was time to get back to work .
It was almost as though it was intimated that 007 was going to be 007 again.
Posted on 2/19/19 at 3:28 pm to Rep520
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QoS wasn't good, but it wasn't trying to do things like make Denise Richards a nuclear physicist.
Denise Richards was a bad casting choice, but The World is Not Enough is a solid flick.
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