re: Birth of a Nation- Just watched for the first time

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That is because hard-core, cowardly racism is still very much a thing. Keyboard racists, who would never actually step forward to defend their disgusting beliefs, instead click and type from the shadows. They would never take up arms, or commit acts of violence, because they lack the guts to do so, not because of some moral reservations. They are no better than the collectivist race-warriors on the other side. They sit at opposite, yet equal, ends of the horseshoe.

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oh horse shite

Isn't this the movie done by Woodrow Wilson's buddy?

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Isn't this the movie done by Woodrow Wilson's buddy?

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Woodrow Wilson was super racist btw

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Woodrow Wilson was super racist btw

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All people were extremely racist in 1915 btw

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Is the plot of the movie not about the heroic Klan rising up and throwing off the yolk of reconstruction and persecuting the evil blacks? It seems racist to me but if that's the kind of stuff you enjoy, whatever.

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Incorrect. That's the plot of the last 20 minutes of the movie.

So what?

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Ehhhh, that's like saying Interstellar isn't about a wormhole because you don't see the wormhole until the end of the movie.

The entire theme of the move is the North and South being brought together by the power of their "Aryan birthright". It's literally in the last title card of the movie. Its undeniably racist as shite.

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That's like saying the entire theme of The Wizard Of Oz is about a witch who sends dorothy back home and it was all a dream.

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all you watched were cherry-picked racist parts, then that's how you come to that extremely racist message conclusion. It's like 3.5 hours long, people judge it based on a 3 minute highlight reel of the racism.

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My God man, sure it has its place in cinematic history and that obviously can’t be seen ignored but if you’re actually denying that the film is extremely racist then you’re in deep denial

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My God man, sure it has its place in cinematic history and that obviously can’t be seen ignored but if you’re actually denying that the film is extremely racist then you’re in deep denial

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I'm not disagreeing with you beyond "context". "Extremely" is a weasel word, no offense (I use it), particularly without comparators. For the time, I would argue that this film was racist within the bounds of American society. I'm the antithesis of "woke" in 2023, but we're talking about 1915 when a significant percentage of white men of means were involved with Klan or (frick me for having to use this modern term) Klan-adjacent activities.

So, real talk here - in 1920 - there were between 3.5 and 4.0 million "signed up" members of the KKK. At that point, there were only about 28 million native born adult white men in the entire nation. Assuming few if any foreign born whites were members and none of the other demographic groups were members, you do the math. Obviously, the percentage would likely be lower in immigrant-heavy and cosmopolitan cities, and higher in the South. Safe bet in the Deep South at the time was about 1/3 to 1/2, depending on local activity and recruiting levels.

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A lot of people especially those in the South related pretty well with the KKK.

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And I suggested a higher percentage in the South as well, so this is a check on both of our biases -

"South" Vermont 1924-



"South" Maine 1923



"South" Wisconsin 1924



"South" Minnesota 1925



I just want everything to be told truthfully.

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Um, isn't the climax of the movie where the Klan rushes in to save those people from the mixed-race governor's militia? Then the Klan "saves" the state in the next election day by intimidating the black population into not voting?

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You are conveniently skipping over my posts here that clearly call out that stuff. Check the top of this page, for instance. I'm not in any kind of denial about the racism in the movie, yall are projecting that onto my posts because you are so damn wound up with RACISM!