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re: Big Brother 21 - Season Long Thread - Premiere June 25th

Posted on 9/22/19 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 4:03 pm to
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And I just don’t care about the slop shite.


That isn't that big a deal to me in a vacuum. What really bugged me is Jackson saying how production helped him in the shooting ball veto last week:

"I knocked down fricking 5 faces. They kept saying did NOT receive a punishment. DID NOT..and I’m like oh shite"

If he had lost that veto the game would be VERY different right now.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 5:24 pm to
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And I just don’t care about the slop shite.


Me either. Ppl lie in this game every damn day to further themselves along. If Jackson lied to get out of eating bs food then more power to him. That’s just another reason that I’d vote for him.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:25 pm to
What happens if Nicole wins the 3rd part of the HOH comp? A tiebreaker of some sorts I assume.
Posted by LSU6262
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:28 pm to
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What happens if Nicole wins the 3rd part of the HOH comp?


Part 3 is played live only between part 1 and 2 winners
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 9:55 pm to
So it’s a done deal Michie and Holly are final two?

Eta: I’m assuming both will take the other to final two.
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 10:04 pm
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 10:04 pm to
Sounds like it.


Shocker.



Cliff and Nicole have got to be the dumbest players in BB history for sending Tommy home instead of Michie or Holly. WTF were they thinking??
This post was edited on 9/22/19 at 10:05 pm
Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/22/19 at 11:17 pm to
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Wow!!! You guys think Jackson is telling the truth here? No point in ever watching again if this is what production actually does.
Posted by JJ27
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Posted on 9/23/19 at 1:43 am to
Maybe. Or maybe it’s taken out of context and he’s talking about Cliff/Nicole.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 9/23/19 at 1:44 am to
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Cliff and Nicole have got to be the dumbest players in BB history for sending Tommy home instead of Michie or Holly. WTF were they thinking??



Couldn’t send Michie. He was HOH. Could’ve sent Holly though and 100% should have. Then put Michie on block and all they would’ve had to do is beat him in veto.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 9/23/19 at 5:20 am to
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all they would’ve had to do is beat him in veto.


Which they didn't do, so result is still likely the same, with either Cliff or Nicole going home, because I'm not convinced Tommy would have thrown that HOH.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 5:22 am
Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
4580 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 6:04 am to
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Maybe. Or maybe it’s taken out of context and he’s talking about Cliff/Nicole



People are saying on Twitter that Nicole never promised him F2. Also, why would he be nervous about those two and why did production immediately cut to fish?

I personally have no idea because I dont watch the feeds.

The other thing Twitter is saying is that he threatened to go home over the racist stuff and production got him to stay by offering a guaranteed F2.
Posted by NashBamaFan
Nashville
Member since Mar 2011
3118 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 7:53 am to
I think if Holly was to win the final comp, she surprises everyone and chooses to take Nicole to final 2 over Jackson. It will be a mistake.
Posted by AHM21
Member since Feb 2008
30586 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:33 am to
Everyone on here bitched about the advantages Paul was given all season for being a returning player. With the help Jackson received in the final veto, catered to allow him to cheat on slop and alter the rules, saying he was guaranteed a final two by production, a physical comp heavy season for a physical comp player and a personality not much different from Paul in how he sent bitter juror after bitter juror out of the game.

So I ask, what's the difference between Paul and Jackson other than Paul is from California and Jackson is from Tennessee? The mob mentality and friendship bracelets of season 19 was worse but I have to say Jackson has received as much assistance from production as Paul received.


If he's in the final two with Holly, he should win. It still doesn't change the fact he's received help since a little more than a month into the game. It goes beyond "he cheated on slop, who cares about slop."
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 8:36 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
89674 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:38 am to
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I have come to the conclusion over the years that the winner always deserves to win, whether I agree or not. Jury management is a huge part of the game. If the house fills up with people who would rather vote for Hitler than you then you failed at playing the best game, even if you win every single competition you play in.



You're getting a lot of agreeance here but I've gotta be the contrarian and strongly disagree with this. I DO understand the point; jury management is huge and somehow often overlooked, so if you fouled that up you don't necessarily deserve the win. But to say "the winner always deserves the win" couldn't be more misleading IMO. Everythign we're talkign about here only revolves around the jerk that lost it, not the actual winner. If player A waltzed through the game winning everythign but was the biggest a-hole of all time, that reflects on them losing of course but says aboslutley nothing about plyaer B who would be the winner. If the jury basically says "I'm not voting for player A no matter what. I'd rather vote for bill, or mary, or hitler, or an upturned mop with a bucket for a head..literally anything or anyone that is in the other seat I would vote for instead of voting for player A"...how in the world does that mean B deserved the win?
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
23979 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:58 am to
I agree with you. The jurors don't have the opportunity to find out anything that's going on in the house other than what they've seen or talk about in jury. The final two aren't given enough time to explain their games. What is it, like 45 seconds or something? They need to be able to get enough time to explain themselves and answer questions. The jury should also get more time to digest everything they've heard.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14808 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 8:59 am to
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If player A waltzed through the game winning everythign but was the biggest a-hole of all time, that reflects on them losing of course but says aboslutley nothing about plyaer B who would be the winner. If the jury basically says "I'm not voting for player A no matter what. I'd rather vote for bill, or mary, or hitler, or an upturned mop with a bucket for a head..literally anything or anyone that is in the other seat I would vote for instead of voting for player A"...how in the world does that mean B deserved the win?


Well said.

Josh was the mop with a bucket for a head. If Paul hadn't had so much production help (bracelets, only vet in house) and hadn't become so unlikable by the end of season 19, I would've been much more upset that Josh won. I can admit that.

Ian vs Dan is much more debatable. I don't know if Dan's loss was the beginning of the bitter jury era but at least Ian did much much more to legitimize his win.

Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
4580 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:40 am to
The whole point of BB is that its a social game. In other words, controlling the game without the other house guests getting pissed at you.

Josh deserved the win because he didn't piss off the deciding vote, which was Cody. On the other hand, Paul although he controlled the entire season forgot its a social game and his cockiness towards Cody bit him in the arse. Now you can say Paul lost it more than Josh won it, but at the end of the day Josh didnt make the critical error that Paul did, so he deserved the win.
Posted by Lugnut
Wesson
Member since Nov 2016
1509 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:57 am to
Taking Holly out when they had the chance would have at least guarantee Cliff or Nicole, one or the other, a spot in the final two. Still the biggest mistake in the entire game to me!
Posted by NfamousPanda
Central
Member since Jan 2016
1138 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:59 am to
Ugh, I still get pissed that Josh won. Never been a house guest I've disliked more than Josh. He was beyond annoying and didnt do a thing the entire season
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
14808 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:06 am to
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Josh deserved the win because he didn't piss off the deciding vote, which was Cody. On the other hand, Paul although he controlled the entire season forgot its a social game and his cockiness towards Cody bit him in the arse. Now you can say Paul lost it more than Josh won it, but at the end of the day Josh didnt make the critical error that Paul did, so he deserved the win.


Josh was a complete piece of shite to Cody. He also was one of many pieces of shite that treated Cody badly. The leader of those pieces of shite was Paul.

That's why Josh won. He didn't play a better social game. Imo, Josh tried to be the biggest piece of shite but he just couldn't outperform his mentor Paul.

If Josh had gone up against Matt in the final 2 and won, I think we can argue that Josh deserved it.
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