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re: Batman V Superman TV Spot 4 - Spoilers in this thread
Posted on 1/25/16 at 2:43 pm to Scoob
Posted on 1/25/16 at 2:43 pm to Scoob
quote:This is an interesting point. I was talking to my father in law a couple of days ago and I asked him if he was going to see the Batman Superman movie. He said "I don't know man. The idea of Batman fighting Superman is stupid." Now, this is a guy who cares nothing for comics. He loves the Marvel and X-Men movies, though.
you could have called Avengers "Thor vs Iron Man" because of their early fight, although that would be a dumb and misleading name. Does anyone know how much screen time we got with Thor vs Iron Man and Thor vs Hulk in that film?
It got me thinking about why he and so many others are still not grasping the concept that ALL superhero movies have heroes fighting each other. It didn't matter what I tried to explain to him about how it's the same thing as what happened in The Avengers movies. Maybe it's because the concept of Batman creating something that can compete with Superman is lost to him. His thinking is Superman would crush Batman. With Iron Man we know by his past movies that he has many powerful suits. It's not much of a stretch to conceive that he could build a suit that can compete with the Hulk. In all of the Batman movies, Batman has never had a reason to create anything that powerful. To someone who knows nothing about The Dark Knight Returns or any comics for that matter, this entire concept of them fighting is lost to them.
Also, he didn't know why Batman and Superman would fight in the first place. I think the past movies with Superman and Batman are still fresh. Maybe he's old fashioned and likes the old all American boy scout Superman movies and thinks there's no way Superman would attack Batman. I tried to explain to him that they don't trust each other yet and so on; all to no avail. My mother in law even said "Batman and Superman should not be fighting. They should be on the same team."
I then tried to explain to her that they team up later in the movie. Her response was "then why are they calling it Batman vs Superman?" Maybe it would have been a better idea to call this movie Batman and Superman: Dawn of Justice. I think the Batman vs Superman is turning some average movie goers off to the movie. I'm starting to think that's why they showed Doomsday in the trailer. To show that they team up.
Anyway, just some thoughts I've been having about the movie and the marketing. If the movie is good, it won't really matter much, IMO.
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 3:27 pm
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Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:09 pm to abellsujr
That's actually a very good point you make. I've gotten that same reaction from friends, family, and coworkers.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:12 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
For some insane reason, people believe that comic book movies should now require that every character have their own solo feature film before they appear on screen in someone else's movie. Even though we have repeatedly had successful superhero team movies that include characters that have never been on screen before.
I agree, however, when you are worldbuilding, that is sort of an expectation. No one says that you can't build another way, but, for instance, it brings a different feel. Which ties into the wanting of the Superman of old, the problems with Batman vs. Superman etc.
quote:
How many movies do you go into already knowing all of the characters? This year we had Spotlight, The Big Short, Mad Max Fury Road... all ensemble movies. We didn't know anything about any of the characters prior to these movies, yet they were all awesome films.
Yes, but these are mostly, even in Max's case, one off films. These aren't films that attempt to establish more than a 2-hour block of entertainment. People are wanting to know about Wonder Woman, because they expect to get more of Wonder Woman.
The two big issues of this are 1) Snyder has already shown a lack of conviction in terms of comic book origins. He wants to do his own thing which ended up extremely uneven in Man of Steel 2) Marketing. The marketing for this has been very underwhelming so far. Suicide Squad has done a better job (see people NOT complaining about lack of knowing a character).
This could also be because no one knows a character in SS outside of The Joker, so there is less to "know" about.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:33 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
The two big issues of this are 1) Snyder has already shown a lack of conviction in terms of comic book origins. He wants to do his own thing which ended up extremely uneven in Man of Steel
What about Watchmen, where he told the origins almost panel for panel as they were in the original comic?
The guy has made two superhero movies. In one of them the origins were the parts that stood out as perfection.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:42 pm to RLDSC FAN
quote:And on top of that, in the trailer we see Superman say "Stay down! If I wanted it, you'd be dead already!". So we know that Superman doesn't give it his all in at least some of the fight. Why call the movie Batman vs Superman, promote this huge fight, then show us that Superman is going easy on Batman? We want both of them to be going all out, like Iron Man and Hulk. I just hope the entire fight is not Superman going easy. I'm sure kryptonite will be involved and we'll see a brawl with no powers. I think that'll be cool. I just hope they don't promote the hell out of this fight and then just have it be a turkey. They probably would have had a better chance marketing this movie if they would have left out the vs(or the V), IMO.
That's actually a very good point you make. I've gotten that same reaction from friends, family, and coworkers.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:45 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
What about Watchmen
quote:
In one of them the origins were the parts that stood out as perfection.
And a lot of people hated him for the way he made Watchmen. I enjoyed it more than MoS.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:45 pm to abellsujr
Civil War
BvS
Deadpool
SS
ETA: AoA
in that order,imo
BvS
Deadpool
SS
ETA: AoA
in that order,imo
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:46 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
What about Watchmen, where he told the origins almost panel for panel as they were in the original comic?
The guy has made two superhero movies. In one of them the origins were the parts that stood out as perfection.
Watchmen is a tough film, while it works in an isolated narrative sense, and is well made there are (again, ha) 2 issues 1) By ascribing SO MUCH to the style of the comic book, Snyder forced himself to concede lots of point because the book said so. Essentially, the source material kept Snyder in check. This wasn't the case for MoS and doesn't seem to be for BvS. He has more room to roam and, sadly, so does Goyer (hopefully Terrio has a loud voice on this one). 2) Although stylistically on point, Snyder totally whiffed on the point of the Watchmen. He missed the theme and the core emotion of the film. Because of the visual representation, we feel like he hit, but he doesn't.
This doesn't make Watchmen a bad film, on the contrary as a true evocation of comic books it's a Top 10 movie, but in terms of a "Watchmen" movie, it misses significantly on a few key ideas.
Watchmen is also self-contained.
If Snyder came out and said, we're making World's Finest or Tower of Babel, or The Dark Knight Returns or whatever B/S story Panel for Panel, then you'd probably see at least a little more optimism.
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:52 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:No doubt. The Dr. Manhattan origin was absolute perfection. My hope is that Nolan had a lot of involvement with MoS and we get more Watchmen style in this movie. Snyder does a fantastic job telling stories visually. I hope they let him do more of that in these movies.
The guy has made two superhero movies. In one of them the origins were the parts that stood out as perfection.
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:55 pm to Freauxzen
quote:I've heard that Terrio rewrote Goyer's script. That's why it got delayed from it's 2015 original release. I pray to God that's true.
Goyer (hopefully Terrio has a loud voice on this one)
Posted on 1/25/16 at 3:56 pm to kballa6
quote:
And a lot of people hated him for the way he made Watchmen
Watchmen is one of my all time favorite Super Hero movies and it blows MoS out the water.
But the Watchmen characters and universe lend themselves much better to Snyder's style than a stand alone Superman movie.
He might be much better for BvS though.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 4:01 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:For me it's:
Civil War
BvS
Deadpool
SS
DFOP
BvS-just because I've been waiting for this since I was 5 years old
Civil War
SS
Deadpool
Apoc
Posted on 1/25/16 at 4:15 pm to abellsujr
BvS
Tarzan
Suicide Squad
X-Men: AoA
Civil War
Deadpool
Tarzan
Suicide Squad
X-Men: AoA
Civil War
Deadpool
Posted on 1/25/16 at 4:22 pm to abellsujr
quote:
I've heard that Terrio rewrote Goyer's script. That's why it got delayed from it's 2015 original release. I pray to God that's true.
If that's true then it's a plus. Goyer is a fricking cancer.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 4:29 pm to JombieZombie
It's true. Terrio came on board with Affleck as a package deal.
My list:
Batman V Superman
Civil War
Suicide Squad
Age of Apocalypse
Deadpool
My list:
Batman V Superman
Civil War
Suicide Squad
Age of Apocalypse
Deadpool
Posted on 1/25/16 at 4:39 pm to BigAppleTiger
My order:
Deadpool/SS
AoA
Civil War/ BvS
Deadpool/SS
AoA
Civil War/ BvS
Posted on 1/25/16 at 4:42 pm to Breesus
what specifically has you excited about AoA?(honest question)
Im going to watch it, but the X-Men franchise is so fricked up, it will be hate watching
Im going to watch it, but the X-Men franchise is so fricked up, it will be hate watching
Posted on 1/25/16 at 4:48 pm to RonBurgundy
quote:
what specifically has you excited about AoA?(honest question)
For me, it's the fact that I've really enjoyed the past 2 films. Plus I just love the Xmen. Yes, I know it's not all true to the source material but they're still enjoyable films, IMO.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 5:00 pm to RLDSC FAN
I like the X-Men, which is why I don't care for the movies as a whole...but that's another thread.
Personally I've loved the BvS trailers.
I think Luthor is going to surprise some people....as they are playing up the mad scientist version instead of the corporate a-hole version.
Personally I've loved the BvS trailers.
I think Luthor is going to surprise some people....as they are playing up the mad scientist version instead of the corporate a-hole version.
Posted on 1/25/16 at 6:51 pm to LucasP
quote:
Not to be contrarian, but I see a lot of love for this character on this site and that lead me to look into him. He just doesn't seem that interesting, just a big strong alien with laser eyes who hates Superman.
Maybe just cause I never read DC growing up, but I feel like I'm missing something with this character. What's the draw?
He's basically a god, and one of the most powerful villains in the DCU. He not only has strength that is equal to (or maybe even greater than Superman and Doomsday) and speed that can catch even Superman off guard. He also has telekinesis and telepathy. Plus he is immortal and is invulnerable to most everything. His "laser eyes" are either Omega Beams which erase living things from existence, or Omega Sanction which sends its target to alternate realities. His whole goal is to find the anti-life equation, so he can rewrite the universe in his own image. He's bad enough to go after the Olympian Gods to kill them and take their powers.
So yeah, he's kind of a big deal.
This post was edited on 1/25/16 at 7:20 pm
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