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re: Avengers Endgane Official Trailer
Posted on 12/8/18 at 5:34 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 12/8/18 at 5:34 pm to RLDSC FAN
Bottom line is the MCU has a handful of pretty good movies, a handful of turds, and a bunch of safe popcorn movies executed well by talented filmmakers. It is what it is. If I hadn’t grown up reading the comics most of these movies are based on I wouldn’t frick with them but they are so I do. 14 year old DS would have lost his mind over this shite but let’s not pretend anyone’s reinventing the wheel with these things.
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Posted on 12/8/18 at 5:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Bottom line is the MCU has a handful of pretty good movies, a handful of turds, and a bunch of safe popcorn movies executed well by talented filmmakers.
It's as if we are one spirit. You can't say this on this particular message board, however, because you will be accused of all kind of things.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 5:54 pm to Nguyener
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Man of Steel (B+)
I assume you've never read a Superman comic book, or seen any Superman related material other than maybe Superman Returns
If he had, he would have commented about them on the Book board. Since he was talking about the movie Man of Steel, he mentioned it here. And I agree with him. Man of Steel was a good, solid movie.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 6:24 pm to RollTide1987
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What did Infinity War do that we hadn't already seen before?
You serious Clark?
As the other poster explained, simply putting so many characters, from so many movies, over a decade long build up, into the same movie....that's unprecedented in itself. Not to mention having them mesh as well as they did.
And to say The original Avengers did that, they just built on it in IW....uh yeah, that's the point. And it was done on such a larger scale than most producers or writers would even attempt. The whole MCU universe is unprecedented, and it continues to build on it.
Even put that aside and Infinity War has much more depth than your typical superhero movie. Thanos' character is the best villain since Heath Ledgers Joker. And he won. That just doesn't happen in blockbuster superhero movies. That's completely against the grain of current Hollywood.
Sure they're following the comic storyline, and sure the new one will probably reverse that, but regardless building up a decade of movies and plotlines, then in one of your biggest movies ever the Avengers lose? Audiences who don't follow the comics weren't prepared for that.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:39 pm to RollTide1987
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It's as if we are one spirit. You can't say this on this particular message board, however, because you will be accused of all kind of things.
You admitted your Batman bias...you graded DCEU on a sliding scale(MOS and WW ahead of Civil War & Ragnorok)
You talk about how Zach Snyder’s true movie is something special.
It’s not that we’re labeling you a DC fanboy...it’s because we are accurately identifying you as one.
IW took far more risks and envoked infinite more emotion than ole Bruce crying next to an exploding warehouse.
And the DCEU? There is not one moment in any of those films that hold a candle anything in IW. Especially BvS...Martha!!!
Posted on 12/8/18 at 7:48 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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You admitted your Batman bias...you graded DCEU on a sliding scale(MOS and WW ahead of Civil War & Ragnorok)
Wow. We're turning this into a court of law now.
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You talk about how Zach Snyder’s true movie is something special.
I gave his "true film" a B. That's not special. It's simply what I would call "pretty good."
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It’s not that we’re labeling you a DC fanboy...it’s because we are accurately identifying you as one.
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IW took far more risks and envoked infinite more emotion than ole Bruce crying next to an exploding warehouse.
What risks did Infinity War take pray tell? The riskiest part of the film was what ended up being its biggest flaw: too many plot threads going on at once. The film jumped around way too much because there were way too many characters in it.
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There is not one moment in any of those films that hold a candle anything in IW.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:03 pm to RollTide1987
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too many plot threads going on at once. The film jumped around way too much because there were way too many characters in it.
I thought you may have been trolling but after reading this, I know you are just one stupid poster. There was only one main plot; you being unable to comprehend that plot, as simple as it was, tells me all I need to know about your intelligence level. Even my 5 year old understood it; nothing about the plot was confusing or jumped around.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:19 pm to 13SaintTiger
Infinity War was innovative but nothing else in Phase 3 has. Have they genre dabbled? Sure. But other superhero franchises have done that and even then the MCU dabbled in Phase two (Winter Soldier as a pseudo political thriller and AntMan as a heist film) with genre films.
Weird argument in here.
Weird argument in here.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:23 pm to RollTide1987
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The riskiest part of the film was what ended up being its biggest flaw: too many plot threads going on at once. The film jumped around way too much because there were way too many characters in it.
You ask what IW did different, then when told you say that's exactly what made it bad?
I mean, I disagree with you that there were too many plot threads and too many characters, that's what made it great IMO, and they did it as about as well as can be expected in the time frame.
So to be clear, what exactly kind of "risks" are you talking about that makes a movie great? What are the things, in your opinion, that could've separated IW as "something new"?
Can you give an example of a movie so as to not be so vague?
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:28 pm to 13SaintTiger
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I know you are just one stupid poster. There was only one main plot; you being unable to comprehend that plot, as simple as it was, tells me all I need to know about your intelligence level.
Where did I say anything about the plot being confusing or difficult to follow? I simply said there were too many plot threads and that the movie jumped around too much. The story itself was easy to follow. I just got tired of jumping around between six or seven different locations every 5-10 minutes. The film had more characters in it than the Bible.
Some people might be okay with that. I personally prefer my films to be a little more personal.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:32 pm to rintintin
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So to be clear, what exactly kind of "risks" are you talking about that makes a movie great?
I don't know why you're asking me this because I wasn't the one who said Infinity War took risks, nor do I believe a film needs to take them in order to be great or even good.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:34 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Umm, IW had every major hero come together and fight heroically, complete with Thor's triumphant return and subsequent arse-whooping of everything in sight... and still lose. The movie finishes with abject failure on the part of the good guys. It's not a draw, not a close call... Thanos wins. He kills half the universe, then retires serenely.
Because Phase 3 hasn't been innovative at all. What did Dr. Strange do that we hadn't already seen before? What did Infinity War do that we hadn't already seen before?
I don't think I've seen that in a movie before.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:40 pm to rintintin
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then in one of your biggest movies ever the Avengers lose? Audiences who don't follow the comics weren't prepared for that.
I think even most non comic readers see the end of Infinity War as the mid point of a 5 hour movie rather than the end of a story. We know the Avengers will win in the end. Sure some of them might not come back but Thanos will lose and we'll get our happy ending.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:40 pm to RollTide1987
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I don't know why you're asking me this because I wasn't the one who said Infinity War took risks, nor do I believe a film needs to take them in order to be great or even good.
Uhhh....
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Because Phase 3 hasn't been innovative at all. What did Dr. Strange do that we hadn't already seen before? What did Infinity War do that we hadn't already seen before?
That was your response to a poster as to why you graded the movie the way you did.
At this point I think you're either fricking with us, or just don't know how to make a coherent argument.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:44 pm to RollTide1987
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The riskiest part of the film was what ended up being its biggest flaw: too many plot threads going on at once. The film jumped around way too much because there were way too many characters in it.
Compare that to another recent movie that had multiple plots going on at the same time, The Last Jedi. Do you know who the main character or the main story of that movie was? Is there one? IW had multiple groups going off doing different things but they were all working towards the same goal. They did a great job and made it not confusing or stupid, unlike TLJ.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:44 pm to Brosef Stalin
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think even most non comic readers see the end of Infinity War as the mid point of a 5 hour movie rather than the end of a story. We know the Avengers will win in the end. Sure some of them might not come back but Thanos will lose and we'll get our happy ending.
Regardless, rarely do you see hero movies ending with the hero losing.
Sure this is more than a simple movie, it's a long running "multiverse" series, but that proves my initial point I was making of how the MCU (and Infinity War) is something we've never seen before.
The other poster was somehow trying to argue that they're doing nothing new, which couldn't be further from the truth IMO.
ETA: The poster above me reminds me, look at Star Wars, it's an ongoing 9 movie series, yet every single one seems to be the same plot with the same ending.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:50 pm to Scoob
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I don't think I've seen that in a movie before.
And it would have had a larger emotional impact if I didn't already know that everything that happened in Infinity War will be undone by Endgame. We already know that Spider-Man, Black Panther, and the Guardians of the Galaxy are getting sequels despite the fact that they were all killed at the end of Infinity War. And we also know Loki is probably not dead either as he's going to have his own live action show on Disney's streaming service. While the villain won you left the theater with the sense that he didn't really win.
We essentially got a three hour long prologue to the film that is actually going to matter. It was entertaining. I enjoyed it. But it wasn't a flawless film.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 8:56 pm to RollTide1987
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Where did I say anything about the plot being confusing or difficult to follow? I simply said there were too many plot threads and that the movie jumped around too much. The story itself was easy to follow. I just got tired of jumping around between six or seven different locations every 5-10 minutes. The film had more characters in it than the Bible.
The story being easy to follow is evidence of them doing a hell of a job tying in all of the characters. You’re just awful at providing substance to your contraire opinions.
Posted on 12/8/18 at 9:49 pm to RollTide1987
We knew Nolans Batman wasn’t going to
Kill The Joker
Save Dent
Quit being Batman over a woman(scratch that one)
Be smart enough to deduce anything in those three films.
BatFleck wasn’t going to
Kill Superman.
We knew Superman was coming back in Justice League.
We know every Flash story ends with him running faster than ever.
We know Aquaman is going to be King(or at least real close) at the end of this film.
Kill The Joker
Save Dent
Quit being Batman over a woman(scratch that one)
Be smart enough to deduce anything in those three films.
BatFleck wasn’t going to
Kill Superman.
We knew Superman was coming back in Justice League.
We know every Flash story ends with him running faster than ever.
We know Aquaman is going to be King(or at least real close) at the end of this film.
This post was edited on 12/8/18 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 12/8/18 at 10:42 pm to dawgfan24348
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