re: AVATAR-- i'm going see this one

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The problem with your reasoning about being right Freauxzen is that you or I really don't know that much about the film, and the only people who do are people who have made it or seen it. Since no one has seen it yet and there have been no reviews for the time being they are the most knowledgeable people on the film.

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Right. So you would trust comments about the quality from the people that want you to spend money on seeing it? I mean, that was your reasoning as you laid out so plainly. You wouldn't trust me and only me about my claims of being right, just like you shouldn't trust the claims of someone with a reason to make you want to see the film.

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Story is a combination of the premise and the execution of the film. We don't know the real story. For all we know it could have a complete mind frick ending like the Sixth Sense. None of us know the real story, just the premise.

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In your terms, which I have been discussing. If we bring this into either film or narrative lingo we would have a whole new ball of wax to discuss.

I could ask people to do with this film and another what I ask my students to do, or I could do it myself, just to show you how similar this film is to DWW or Ferngully.

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We don't know if the main character sucks.

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But your position is that everything in the film is awesome. The story, the setting, the CGI, etc. Your position, since the beginning of the Avatar debate, is that everything is awesome. And now "we don't know?" People argue about this film because some come here and state that this is the second coming of film, and make big hyperbolic statements. That's what most of us are arguing against. When we point out rational points we get, "But this is going to be the best movie ever," in return.

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ET being the prime example?

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Wasn't the protagonist. He was the catalyst for Elliot's growth. No one identifies with E.T., we identify with Elliot.

It's not that it is not possible, it's just that it is very very hard to do. And the trailers again show no proof of handling it well.

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I have pointed out, we don't really know the journey of the story.

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No you don't. But you have already proclaimed it as awesome.

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Any good director (which Cameron is) would not allow many of the good parts onto the trailer, just 2 or 3 of them. Its not that much of a lead of faith.

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Still sounds like quite a large leap of faith.

I think in the end, the proclamations that this is going to be a bad movie are just reactionary to those who say this will be awesome.

Most who say this probably see zero proof in the trailer of something interesting. And although we cannot judge the film on the trailer alone, and I have said this since the first post, the trailer was absolutely horrible and gave no indication that this would be a good film.

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Any good director (which Cameron is) would not allow many of the good parts onto the trailer,

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he did this with titanic and t2 for the most part

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Right. So you would trust comments about the quality from the people that want you to spend money on seeing it? I mean, that was your reasoning as you laid out so plainly. You wouldn't trust me and only me about my claims of being right, just like you shouldn't trust the claims of someone with a reason to make you want to see the film.

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As of this moment, they are most knowledgeable on the subject matter, but this will change in a few short weeks when the reviews come out.

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I could ask people to do with this film and another what I ask my students to do, or I could do it myself, just to show you how similar this film is to DWW or Ferngully.

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I can see why people think its similar to DWW, but Ferngully? Yeah it remotely looks like it, but this movie isn't going to have environmentalism as a theme (as far as I'm aware), and Ferngully is a pretty terrible movie and I'm not sure why anyone would try to emulate it.

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But your position is that everything in the film is awesome. The story, the setting, the CGI, etc. Your position, since the beginning of the Avatar debate, is that everything is awesome. And now "we don't know?" People argue about this film because some come here and state that this is the second coming of film, and make big hyperbolic statements. That's what most of us are arguing against. When we point out rational points we get, "But this is going to be the best movie ever," in return.

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Really, at this point I'm just saying its impossible to fairly judge a movie from a preview. Aside from bad comedies, you really can't judge a movie from the preview. And I've said the story has potential to be great. Maybe in some of my first posts I said the story sounds awesome, but never thought about DWW at the time, and even that doesn't mean it will be a rip-off or bad at all.

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It's not that it is not possible, it's just that it is very very hard to do. And the trailers again show no proof of handling it well.

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Previews show like 2 lines of dialog of the aliens. I'm willing to bet there is much more than that to where they could handle it well.

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I think in the end, the proclamations that this is going to be a bad movie are just reactionary to those who say this will be awesome.

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Perfectly agree.

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What does CGI mean?

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LINK

It was the second search result: Computer generated imagery. This shouldn't be rocket science considering almost every shot in this film will have some CGI in it.

I was just frickin with ya. I figured it out, although they could have told me the first time and it would have been helpful.

CGI is not something many would know. I watch a ton of movies, and have never even heard of that abbreviation.

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CGI is not something many would know. I watch a ton of movies, and have never even heard of that abbreviation.

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No offense, but that is exceptionally hard to believe.

I keep trying so hard to like what I am seeing in previews, but I just don't. Don't get me wrong, I'll go see it anyway (which is why I think it will make a killing...even if people expect to hate it, they'll still turn out in droves to see it), but I just don't think it looks very good.

Of course, I hope I'm wrong though.

I figured after the Lucas abomination with Ewoks, no director would ever again have some cute uncivilized aliens win against a superior Empire.

I guess I was wrong, we get a 400 million dollar Ewok movie.

Hope I am wrong but bows and arrows vs. Mech Warriors looks like a big budget Ewok film.

Somewhere Lucas is laughing.

Seems to be a hot topic. I agree the trailers haven't exactly lit my panties on fire.... but:

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James Cameron

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who directed the science fiction films:

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The Terminator

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Aliens

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The Abyss

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Terminator 2: Judgment Day

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has earned the mother frickin benefit of the doubt in that genre. If you don't agree with that, then I don't know what to tell you.