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re: Arrow: Season 3 Thread
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:03 am to BlacknGold
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:03 am to BlacknGold
Just watched the episode, I felt it had some great character moments, but the actual resolution to the Brick story arc was meh.
The whole showdown in the streets between Bricks thugs and the Glades residents reminded me how stupid the showdown between Bane's thugs and the GCPD was in Rises. You have guns, use them. I know it wouldnt have been a very fun fight because the good guys would have been slaughtered, but if thats the case then you probably need to think of a different way to do the climactic fight. Also, why the hell is Digg sitting in the Arrow Cave instead of going out and helping Roy/Laurel earlier in the episode?
Loved most the character moments though, especially the Malcolm and Thea ones. I've genuinely grown fond of Roy over the past three episodes and it was good to Sin again. Hopefully next week the whole "dont tell dad Sara is dead" story line will come to a close.
I actually was surprised by how much I liked the Oliver and Felicity fight at the end. They both have valid points and understandable points of view which felt like a genuine reason for them to take a step back from each other. Still rooting for those two crazy kids though.
This right here is why Felicity is so pissed. Not just because he decides to work with Malcolm, but what that means. Arrow has always been about Oliver's battle for his soul, about his road to becoming Green Arrow and that doesnt happen without the Oliver Queen part of him. All season he's been stuck in "I must be only the Arrow" frame of mind, which makes him a damn good hero, but not a superhero. He's not Bruce Wayne/Batman who believes Batman is his real persona and Bruce Wayne as just a mask. Oliver Queen and Green Arrow arnt mutually exclusive like that, it takes both to be the best hero he can possibly be.
So by agreeing to work with Malcolm Oliver is doing whats a sensible hero would do, what the Arrow would do. He isnt fighting to find another way, like he did with Slade, which is what a superhero would do. She's in love with the Oliver Queen that encompasses the Arrow, not the Arrow that encompasses Oliver Queen. She feels like he's throwing that away.
EDIT: Malcolm totally isnt going to survive to see season 4 with this whole redemption arc thing. Also they've been mentioning Tommy A LOT this season, he's appeared in two episodes (once as an adult and tonight as a kid) and he's gonna be in episode 3x14. I dont think this is a coincidence, I think its the shows way of reintroducing the character to viewers after being largely absent in season 2. SOMEONE has to take a dunk in the Lazarus Pit by the end of the season or I'm gonna be pissed!
The whole showdown in the streets between Bricks thugs and the Glades residents reminded me how stupid the showdown between Bane's thugs and the GCPD was in Rises. You have guns, use them. I know it wouldnt have been a very fun fight because the good guys would have been slaughtered, but if thats the case then you probably need to think of a different way to do the climactic fight. Also, why the hell is Digg sitting in the Arrow Cave instead of going out and helping Roy/Laurel earlier in the episode?
Loved most the character moments though, especially the Malcolm and Thea ones. I've genuinely grown fond of Roy over the past three episodes and it was good to Sin again. Hopefully next week the whole "dont tell dad Sara is dead" story line will come to a close.
I actually was surprised by how much I liked the Oliver and Felicity fight at the end. They both have valid points and understandable points of view which felt like a genuine reason for them to take a step back from each other. Still rooting for those two crazy kids though.
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oliver is choosing to team with the devil. not everyone is nor should be cool with that.
This right here is why Felicity is so pissed. Not just because he decides to work with Malcolm, but what that means. Arrow has always been about Oliver's battle for his soul, about his road to becoming Green Arrow and that doesnt happen without the Oliver Queen part of him. All season he's been stuck in "I must be only the Arrow" frame of mind, which makes him a damn good hero, but not a superhero. He's not Bruce Wayne/Batman who believes Batman is his real persona and Bruce Wayne as just a mask. Oliver Queen and Green Arrow arnt mutually exclusive like that, it takes both to be the best hero he can possibly be.
So by agreeing to work with Malcolm Oliver is doing whats a sensible hero would do, what the Arrow would do. He isnt fighting to find another way, like he did with Slade, which is what a superhero would do. She's in love with the Oliver Queen that encompasses the Arrow, not the Arrow that encompasses Oliver Queen. She feels like he's throwing that away.
EDIT: Malcolm totally isnt going to survive to see season 4 with this whole redemption arc thing. Also they've been mentioning Tommy A LOT this season, he's appeared in two episodes (once as an adult and tonight as a kid) and he's gonna be in episode 3x14. I dont think this is a coincidence, I think its the shows way of reintroducing the character to viewers after being largely absent in season 2. SOMEONE has to take a dunk in the Lazarus Pit by the end of the season or I'm gonna be pissed!
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 1:07 am
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:19 am to Tedock
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EDIT: Malcolm totally isnt going to survive to see season 4 with this whole redemption arc thing. Also they've been mentioning Tommy A LOT this season, he's appeared in two episodes (once as an adult and tonight as a kid) and he's gonna be in episode 3x14. I dont think this is a coincidence, I think its the shows way of reintroducing the character to viewers after being largely absent in season 2. SOMEONE has to take a dunk in the Lazarus Pit by the end of the season or I'm gonna be pissed!
Wasn't there something about them saying the next time we see Tommy it won't be how we expected it? There was lots of speculation about the Lazarus pit and what not, but maybe it was just about Merlin's flashback tonight
Posted on 2/5/15 at 2:07 am to Cap Crunch
Episode 14 is this years mostly flashback episode about Maseo and Oliver returning to Starling City in the past to retrieve the Omega virus. Tommy shows up at some point during those flashbacks.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 7:08 am to Tedock
I don't know much about the Lazarus pits, but could maseo have stolen a cupful of Lazarus pit water to help heal Oliver if he wasn't dead? Maybe that explains why, although his recovery seems very unrealistic, it is not miraculous to the point of full recovery. Maybe it has minor effects on his person as well, which is why he suddenly has no qualms about working with Malcolm.
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 7:09 am
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:36 am to lagallifrey
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I don't know much about the Lazarus pits, but could maseo have stolen a cupful of Lazarus pit water to help heal Oliver if he wasn't dead?
I can't recall the Lazarus pits have ever been used like that in the comics, but that doesn't mean that they haven't.
But with that said, I think either Amell or the showrunners have already stated that Oliver wasn't saved using the pits.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:52 am to lagallifrey
Now I really wanna see someone brought back to life using a supersoaker full of lazarus pit water.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 8:56 am to BlacknGold
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i thought it was a solid way to transition her away from the "ollicity" storyline
I felt like this was the only reason for it. They know felicity isn't oliver's end game.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:02 am to UMRealist
Liked the episode last night. Way better than last week
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:02 am to Bamatab
I'm holding on to the hope that either felicity or thea die and oliver is forced to use the pitts on them.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:31 am to UMRealist
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They know felicity isn't oliver's end game.
The Olicity folks aren't gonna like hearing that.
But I think you are right. I think Oliver is destined to end up with Laurel eventually. It would be a pretty big deviation from the comic book history for that not to happen.
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I'm holding on to the hope that either felicity or thea die and oliver is forced to use the pitts on them.
Right now they haven't even been introduced yet on the show, so something will have to transpire for Oliver to be made aware of them. I'm hoping that what transpires to introduce them in the show is Tommy getting revived by Ra's. I'm holding out hope that Tommy gets revived and is used by Ra's to exact revenge on Malcolm and Thea, and Malcolm sacrifices himself for Thea, and thus Tommy takes Malcolm's place becoming the true Dark Archer going forward.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:37 am to Bamatab
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I'm holding out hope that Tommy gets revived and is used by Ra's to exact revenge on Malcolm and Thea, and Malcolm sacrifices himself for Thea, and thus Tommy takes Malcolm's place becoming the true Dark Archer going forward.
All of this.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:47 am to Bamatab
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But I think you are right. I think Oliver is destined to end up with Laurel eventually. It would be a pretty big deviation from the comic book history for that not to happen.
Eh, I think it could go either way. Felicity has critic/fan support, Laurel comic history. Oliver and Dinah's relationship in the comics is rocky at best. They got married, got divorced, he cheated on her, she cheated on him and now they dont even know each other in the new 52. Lois and Clark they are not.
My whole thing with Laurel (besides her being unbelievably unlikable for two seasons, and the whole Sara dying just to make her interesting part) is that Oliver slept with her sister and pretty much caused her whole family to fracture. That's not something I could ever forgive if it happened to me so a renewed relationship between the two would feel weird, for me atleast. I think if they wanted to go the whole GA/BC route they should have stuck with Sara as BC, that relationship I could atleast get behind.
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I'm holding out hope that Tommy gets revived and is used by Ra's to exact revenge on Malcolm and Thea, and Malcolm sacrifices himself for Thea, and thus Tommy takes Malcolm's place becoming the true Dark Archer going forward.
This has been my hope as well and what I think will happen at some point this season. I just dont see Malcolm surviving the season and an out of his mind ressurected Tommy (with two years of LoA training, same as his father) would make a great Dark Archer replacement. Point is, you have the damn Pits...freaking use them on someone.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:52 am to Tedock
No doubt in my mind that the pits are getting used on somebody. You can't have Ras proclaim "nobody has challenged me in 65 years" when the dude looks like he's in his late 40s early 50s and not introduce them.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:18 am to Tedock
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and now they dont even know each other in the new 52.
In the new 52 isn't Black Canary Dinah Drake, not Dinah Laurel Lance? I think this may be one of the few instances of the Arrow showrunners using a pre-52 version of a character over the New 52 one.
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Point is, you have the damn Pits...freaking use them on someone.
Should've been Oliver.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:28 am to Tedock
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The whole showdown in the streets between Bricks thugs and the Glades residents reminded me how stupid the showdown between Bane's thugs and the GCPD was in Rises.
my only issue with the episode. i literally rolled my eyes when this scene happened. it was also way too reminiscent of the slade battle, just on a lamer scale. i can see past this though as it wasnt a major issue.
i think you perfectly nailed the relationship between Oliver and Arrow and how it effects Felicity. I agree 100%. Bravo. also, ive like the felicity/ray palmer dynamic more. so im on that "team."
as for tommy and the pits, im pretty sure the episode he comes into play is called "the return" and its been confirmed it was not about oliver or slade. im not too fond of the idea of bringing tommy back but if it does benefit the story and show i could get behind it.
i just want to know why the suicide comes back and will slade be involved!?
eta: is roy worse at keeping a secret identity than oliver?
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 10:29 am
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:30 am to Bamatab
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I think Oliver is destined to end up with Laurel eventually
She pisses me off. I still refuse to believe that the very little boxing training she had allows her to completely destroy fully grown men with a stick and only be embarrassed by Brick. Absolutely retarded.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:32 am to More beer please
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I still refuse to believe that the very little boxing training she had allows her to completely destroy fully grown men with a stick and only be embarrassed by Brick. Absolutely retarded.
in defense of the show, she has been getting her arse kicked nearly every time. and she only "completely destroys" people when she sneaks up on them. she hasnt really just confronted someone face to face and been the winner of the battle. i think the show has pretty much shown that roy and laurel HAVE to work together. neither can handle things alone.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:40 am to BlacknGold
I could be wrong but I dont remember her struggling at all in the last fight. Either way, she is surviving in this environment a whole lot longer than she should.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:54 am to BlacknGold
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as for tommy and the pits, im pretty sure the episode he comes into play is called "the return" and its been confirmed it was not about oliver or slade. im not too fond of the idea of bringing tommy back but if it does benefit the story and show i could get behind it.
You know ever since it the episode summary came out and we found out that Oliver would be returning to Starling City in the flashbacks I thought that was what the title was referring to, but your right they did say it wasnt about Oliver or Slade. I wonder if they consider present day Oliver and flashback Oliver as separate entities. Damn, can we just skip next episode and get right into episode 14?
Edit: I just looked up episode 15's title, its "Nada Parbat", yea I think some crazy stuff is gonna go down at the end of 3x14.
This post was edited on 2/5/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:49 pm to Tedock
HOLYYYYY SHITTTT
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