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re: Arrested Development
Posted on 3/9/10 at 11:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 3/9/10 at 11:27 am to GeauxTigerTM
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There's a huge difference between allowing a show to remain on the air, and promoting a show that's getting tons of critical acclaim to see if an audience will pick it up
Fox didn't attempt to hide the show. I can recall seeing promos for AD that featured the critical acclaim you rightly alluded too. Having made the decision to give the show an opportunity to grow an audience Fox did what many networks refuse to do with a failing show, it paid for programming that wasn't pulling its weight. I don't know what Fox was expected to do that it didn't do to popularize this show.
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think it's fairly obvious that had Fox bothered to get the word out they'd have had a hit.
I don't think that's obvious at all. Some shows, even great shows, never build an audience. I'd agree if you want to point to the dumbing of America as the reason a smart show failed, but not the network.
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Posted on 3/9/10 at 11:52 am to Holden Caulfield
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Fox didn't attempt to hide the show.
As has been posted numerous times in this thread, the show virtually never stayed in the same spot. AD was, admittedly, a smart, quirky show that would have taken some time to find an audience. So, given that Fox basically made AD a moving target during it's entire run REALLY the best way to see their product succeed?
I just think suggesting Fox was blameless in the eventual failure of a show that has a MUCH larger audience after being cancelled than when it was on the air is silly at best.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 11:59 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I just think suggesting Fox was blameless in the eventual failure of a show that has a MUCH larger audience after being cancelled than when it was on the air is silly at best.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:02 pm to CocomoLSU
I just got into psych, been watching it on hulu. I really like sense of humor.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:10 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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As has been posted numerous times in this thread, the show virtually never stayed in the same spot
Maybe I'm just not recalling in full but the only change I remember is moving to Mondays for the third season. I'd hardly consider this to be the reason the show failed to take off. Many shows find their audience after that kind of change. But like I said my memory could be faulty. Maybe the show aired on different nights every week without notice.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:13 pm to Freauxzen
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I just think suggesting Fox was blameless in the eventual failure of a show that has a MUCH larger audience after being cancelled than when it was on the air is silly at best.
I don't know how much blame I assign Fox but many shows are more popular after they're cancelled than when they ran in prime time. Star Trek come immediately to mind. Never could find an audience and yet look at what it spawned.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:18 pm to Holden Caulfield
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Maybe I'm just not recalling in full but the only change I remember is moving to Mondays for the third season.
During the third Season it was on Sunday, Mondays and Fridays. The second to last show was on a Sunday, then they waited, were going to air it once then they moved it, then after like 3 or 4 weeks they put the Series Finale on a Friday. All over the place.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:26 pm to Freauxzen
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During the third Season it was on Sunday, Mondays and Fridays. The second to last show was on a Friday, then they waited, were going to air it once then they moved it, then after like 3 or 4 weeks they put the Series Finale on a Sunday. All over the place.
Thanks for the info. I think by the third season it may have become evident the show was not going to succeed and it was moved willy nilly with out regard to losing or adding to the demographics. I recall it being solidly in place on Sundays initially with dismal numbers.
I blame the viewers who would rather watch Jack Tripper or America's funniest home videos rather than a smart and witty show like AD, not the network.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:31 pm to Freauxzen
Looking at IMDB, it was on 2 years on Sunday nights, its third season was on Monday nights, and the only shows that originally aired on Friday nights were the last four and that was all at once. Which means at that point it was over.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:31 pm to Holden Caulfield
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Thanks for the info. I think by the third season it may have become evident the show was not going to succeed and it was moved willy nilly with out regard to losing or adding to the demographics.
Agreed. But check what they did in the third season (and I had the dates backwards, second to last on a Sunday, the finale was on a Friday).
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For the third season, Fox positioned the show at 8:00 p.m. ET/PT and 7:00 p.m. CT/MT, directly opposite Monday Night Football in the Mountain and Pacific time zones, whereas MNF would not have started yet in the other two. Ratings were even worse than previous seasons. On November 9, 2005, Fox announced that the show would not be airing in November sweeps, and that they had cut the episode order for the third season from 22 to 13. Fox ended up showing the last four episodes in a two-hour timeslot—directly opposite the opening ceremonies of the 2006 Winter Olympics. As a result, the finale received only 3.3 million viewers.
They pretty much wanted it to fail during the third season. Opposite MNF? COME ON! /gob
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I recall it being solidly in place on Sundays initially with dismal numbers.
It premiered on Sundays for sure, and stayed there for some weeks. But even during the first season, they begin to shift it around.
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I blame the viewers who would rather watch Jack Tripper or America's funniest home videos rather than a smart and witty show like AD, not the network.
Me too. I was a big fan while it was on, and I had a hard time keeping up with it. Even as a fan, I didn't really appreciate it as much as I do now until I saw all episodes, all the way through.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 12:36 pm to alajones
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Looking at IMDB, it was on 2 years on Sunday nights, its third season was on Monday nights, and the only shows that originally aired on Friday nights were the last four and that was all at once. Which means at that point it was over.
I see that too, as someone who would sit down to watch the show on Sunday night and find a rerun of the Simpsons or King of the Hill on, later to learn that show had aired on Friday or was going to air on Monday, those just might be official dates. And I know it spent some time on Wednesday nights as well.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 1:54 pm to Freauxzen
Another question. If I can't find anywhere online to watch season 1, can I pick up and start watching season 2 and be ok? Like seinfeld or friends for instance you could easily just pick up and it not be an issue. LOST on the other hand you pretty much have to be there from the get-go. If I pick up watching season 2 with no previous AD experience will I be alright?
Posted on 3/9/10 at 1:57 pm to WG_Dawg
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Another question. If I can't find anywhere online to watch season 1, can I pick up and start watching season 2 and be ok? Like seinfeld or friends for instance you could easily just pick up and it not be an issue. LOST on the other hand you pretty much have to be there from the get-go. If I pick up watching season 2 with no previous AD experience will I be alright?
No. You have to start from the first episode and watch chronologically. This is not an episodic show that always follows the same structure. This is one of its greatest strengths and one of its greatest weaknesses.
I will admit that this may be the primary reason it never caught on. You have to watch all episodes, otherwise you miss a lot of jokes.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 3/9/10 at 2:07 pm to Freauxzen
Dang. Ok well then do you know of anywhere I can watch season 1 online or do I just need to rent the DVDs?
Posted on 3/9/10 at 2:10 pm to WG_Dawg
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Dang. Ok well then do you know of anywhere I can watch season 1 online or do I just need to rent the DVDs?
Hulu has them rotating sometimes not sure where they are in their rotation though.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 2:17 pm to Freauxzen
Ok I'll check it out. Hulu is where I found the complete 2nd season. I might just do myself somewhat of a disservice and watch season 2 anyways, after this thread now I'm pretty pumped about the show and I don't know if I can wait to watch it!
Posted on 3/9/10 at 2:19 pm to WG_Dawg
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watch season 2 anyways
Don't. It won't be as funny. If you are really excited, just try and find season 1. You could probably buy it at Best Buy for twenty bucks.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 2:39 pm to Freauxzen
I might give this a try also. I discovered Slings and Arrows a couple of years ago and I thought it may have been one of the best shows ever.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 3:10 pm to WG_Dawg
ninjavideo.net has all the seasons
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