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re: Arrested Development
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:03 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 3/9/10 at 4:03 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:same here
Hell...I'm as good as an example as any. I sort of knew about the show when it was on...liked a few of the actors I knew were in it...but I never bothered to try and find it. Fox never really made it seem like it was a pressing need. by the time I DID see it, the show had been cancelled and I realized how awesome it was.
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Posted on 3/9/10 at 7:18 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Fox, as they are prone to do, didn't support it
That's complete BS. The show never achieved the ratings needed to make it viable to a network. Despite the lack of ratings Fox kept the show around for two additional seasons. I'd say that's not only supporting a show but going beyond what is expected.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 7:21 am to Atari
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to the retarded (yeah Sarah Palin, I said it)
You do realize, well probably you don't, Palin didn't object to the use of the word but rather to using it to diminish others.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 7:47 am to dnwsr
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Really good show; consider yourself lucky if you have yet to see it. It's one of the funniest series I've seen (behind Curb and Seinfeld).
I've heard nothing but good things. I remember when it came on, a friend of mine loved it and so I saw a couple episodes watching it at his house. But I've never gotten into it. I remember thinking that it was decently funny, but was likely infinitely better if I knew the characters, backgrounds, etc.
I just hope it's not Seinfeld-type "humor," because I absolutely cannot stand that awful show.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:18 am to Jiggles
Totally agree with the subtlety, rewatching episodes I pick up on a lot of word play and other references I missed. One prime example is after George Michael is having a rough day (forget what happened) he was walking down the sidewalk with his head down in khakis and a brown shirt and in the back ground was a red dog house with a beagle laying on top of it. My gf pointed it out and started bursting out laughing. I'm finding many things like that.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 8:36 am to CocomoLSU
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But I've never gotten into it.
I was the same way but a while back I decided to start watching it from the begining and finished all 3 seasons. It hooked me from the start and pretty much consumed my life for about a month straight. It still upsets me that the show was cancelled.
I assume you're a member of netflix? if so, I highly recommend watching season 1 so you can fully appreciate Gob's chicken dance.
and as you know the :supa : emoticon is that of a dejected George Michael.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 9:01 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:25 am to Mouth
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I assume you're a member of netflix?
Nah, I'd just buy it.
But I still have to finish watching the first three seasons of Psych, both seasons of Carnivale, and I recently bought both seasons of Sports Night.
I am notorious for buying shows and not watching them.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:31 am to GeauxTigerTM
quote:I have never watched this show. But I don't see how people on here keep on saying Fox pulled the plug or didn't do "x" or whatever. The show was on for three years. If a show hasn't established itself by that time, it is the show's fault. This show had a niche audience, which is fine for HBO and Showtime, but not for FOX I guess.
Fox, as they are prone to do, didn't support it or promote it well. The show was winning awards, but Fox basically let it lie there floundering.
Hell...I'm as good as an example as any. I sort of knew about the show when it was on...liked a few of the actors I knew were in it...but I never bothered to try and find it. Fox never really made it seem like it was a pressing need. by the time I DID see it, the show had been cancelled and I realized how awesome it was.
My guess is this sums up the feeling of probably 75% of everyone who says they love the show.
I never watched Frasier while it was running, but I've seen every episode in reruns and it is my favorite show now. I don't blame NBC though.
FACE IT TD MOVIE BOARD!!! THIS SHOW HAD ITS CHANCE AND FAILED!!!
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:47 am to alajones
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But I don't see how people on here keep on saying Fox pulled the plug or didn't do "x" or whatever. The show was on for three years.
That's easy to say if you didn't try and watch it when it did air. It it wasn't for my DVR set to record new episodes, I would've missed more than half of them. You never knew what day or time it was going to come on, it was switched constantly. Fox would start a new season right in the middle of baseball playoffs so the first half of the seasons would get bumped all the time to god knows when. Then, when that was over, they would switch the days and times to try and find "that perfect time slot". This happened 3 or 4 times in the second half of the 3rd season.
On top of that it's hard (maybe impossible) to market nuance comedy.
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If a show hasn't established itself by that time, it is the show's fault
It had won multiple awards.
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Michael: So, what's going on with the fundraiser?
George Sr.: Well, I don't think the Home Builders Organization is gonna be supporting us.
Michael: Yeah, the HBO's not gonna want us. What do we do now?
George Sr.: Well, I think it's "Show Time." I think we have to have a show during dinner.
S.O.B.s is my single favorite episode of TV all time
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 9:49 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 9:52 am to colorchangintiger
quote:DING DING DING
On top of that it's hard (maybe impossible) to market nuance comedy.
It was a niche. Not mainstream. Usually means failure on network. See The Invasion.
quote:Which unfortunatley doesn't equal more viewers.
It had won multiple awards.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:12 am to colorchangintiger
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That's easy to say if you didn't try and watch it when it did air. It it wasn't for my DVR set to record new episodes, I would've missed more than half of them. You never knew what day or time it was going to come on, it was switched constantly. Fox would start a new season right in the middle of baseball playoffs so the first half of the seasons would get bumped all the time to god knows when. Then, when that was over, they would switch the days and times to try and find "that perfect time slot". This happened 3 or 4 times in the second half of the 3rd season.
This. The show was never given a time slot to find an audience.
I was a fan of the show even when it came on, but it was almost impossible to catch it. AND Fox consistently moved it between two of the worst nights on television, Friday and Sunday, especially for a comedy that targets a young audience (oh look, they did the same thing with Firefly and Dollhouse).
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:17 am to Freauxzen
I remember it came on their Sunday night line up, which I'm pretty sure is Fox's most successful night. All of those shows get bumped during the playoffs and World Series. I personally remember loads of commercials and TV guide proclaiming it the best show you aren't watching and seeing all the wonderful reviews of it. It just wasn't meant to be.
I know 99% of this board loves this show and wants to blame FOX for it not being the greatest show ever. If you all want to keep living in that fantasy world, I understand.
I know 99% of this board loves this show and wants to blame FOX for it not being the greatest show ever. If you all want to keep living in that fantasy world, I understand.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 10:18 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:20 am to alajones
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FACE IT TD MOVIE BOARD!!! THIS SHOW HAD ITS CHANCE AND FAILED!!!
With the DVD sales, I wouldn't say it failed.
BTW, Arrested Development movie next year!!
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:21 am to colorchangintiger
quote:Well, keep your hopes up. That is what brought Family Guy back.
With the DVD sales, I wouldn't say it failed.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:22 am to alajones
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Sunday night line up, which I'm pretty sure is Fox's most successful night
I would say Monday night with House and 24
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Well, keep your hopes up. That is what brought Family Guy back.
I'm not. I think they've already said they would not do the show again.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 10:24 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:28 am to alajones
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I remember it came on their Sunday night line up,
Yeah for maybe 2 weeks here and 2 weeks there, it literally wasn't consistent.
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I personally remember loads of commercials and TV guide proclaiming it the best show you aren't watching and seeing all the wonderful reviews of it. It just wasn't meant to be.
Yeah, they did market it.....about halfway through Season 2. They spent over a year and half not marketing it AT ALL.
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I know 99% of this board loves this show and wants to blame FOX for it not being the greatest show ever. If you all want to keep living in that fantasy world, I understand.
Except Fox has consistently mismanaged borderline great shows. Fox doesn't know what to do with success. Sure they strike gold every now and again (Simpsons and 24), which have been on the same nights for 90% of their runtime.
This isn't some isolated event, Firefly, Arrested Development, Dollhouse, Undeclared, Brimstone, The Adventures of Briscoe County Jr., Millenium, Futurama, Family Guy 1st run, and on and on and on...
Most of these shows have cultivated a pretty strong audience post-cancellation, some have even been resurrected, but to say that these shows failed by their own merit when they were all quite good is just skipping the blame off of Fox's poor scheduling and marketing decisions.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:36 am to Freauxzen
quote:I would disagree with them not giving Futurama a chance also. That show ran for a while. They did realize their mistake with Family Guy though (which I couldn't care less for, either way).
Firefly, Arrested Development, Dollhouse, Undeclared, Brimstone, The Adventures of Briscoe County Jr., Millenium, Futurama, Family Guy 1st run, and on and on and on...
I've never heard of most of those other shows. You might have some justification bringing them up. But none of them had the length of run that Futurama and AD had. Not the same thing.
We can do this all day. The fact is, AD ran for three seasons and it didn't catch on.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 10:37 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:40 am to alajones
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We can do this all day. The fact is, AD ran for three seasons and it didn't catch on.
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that AD didn't catch on. The argument is about why. You seem to think it was the fault of the AD creative team, but most of us find fault in Fox's handling of the show (even calling that a "fantasy world").
Fact is, Fox has done this before, Firefly being the other truly sad victim. Would have been a great show.
This post was edited on 3/9/10 at 10:41 am
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:45 am to Holden Caulfield
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That's complete BS. The show never achieved the ratings needed to make it viable to a network. Despite the lack of ratings Fox kept the show around for two additional seasons. I'd say that's not only supporting a show but going beyond what is expected.
There's a huge difference between allowing a show to remain on the air, and promoting a show that's getting tons of critical acclaim to see if an audience will pick it up. Given the huge cult following of this show of people who never saw it at the time, I think it's fairly obvious that had Fox bothered to get the word out they'd have had a hit.
Posted on 3/9/10 at 10:52 am to Freauxzen
I have no idea about the creative team. I've never seen the show. I'm sure it was a wonderfully creative show and probably really funny. But it was really just not ready for primetime. It was probably a show more suited for HBO or Showtime where it can be shown over and over and the ratings expectations aren't so high.
When I say "fantasy world", I'm not trying to be insulting. Okay, sometimes people find scapegoats. Lots of people really liked Arrested Development. I'd argue that most people here started watching after the fact, realized how good it was and are kicking themselves and blaming Fox at the same time. Maybe that is way off, that is just my guess. It is really easy and understandable for people to not want to accept that their most favoritist awesome show ever wasn't thought of that way by most other Americans. So the easy thing to do is to blame the network, marketing, yada yada, instead of accepting that most people just didn't feel the same way about it.
I went through the same thing a few years ago with Surface (underwater aliens/conspiracy). I thought that show was flippin' awesome. NBC did everything they could to screw it up. They put it on Tuesday nights at 7 pm. Like who is going to watch that kind of show at that time slot? They ended with an awesome season finale, and then cancelled it. I was so pissed. I had an epiphany when I went to e-sign a petition on a web site and saw that only 3000 or so people had signed it. I kind of woke up and realized that maybe most people didn't feel the way about Surface that I did.
Anyway, rant over.
When I say "fantasy world", I'm not trying to be insulting. Okay, sometimes people find scapegoats. Lots of people really liked Arrested Development. I'd argue that most people here started watching after the fact, realized how good it was and are kicking themselves and blaming Fox at the same time. Maybe that is way off, that is just my guess. It is really easy and understandable for people to not want to accept that their most favoritist awesome show ever wasn't thought of that way by most other Americans. So the easy thing to do is to blame the network, marketing, yada yada, instead of accepting that most people just didn't feel the same way about it.
I went through the same thing a few years ago with Surface (underwater aliens/conspiracy). I thought that show was flippin' awesome. NBC did everything they could to screw it up. They put it on Tuesday nights at 7 pm. Like who is going to watch that kind of show at that time slot? They ended with an awesome season finale, and then cancelled it. I was so pissed. I had an epiphany when I went to e-sign a petition on a web site and saw that only 3000 or so people had signed it. I kind of woke up and realized that maybe most people didn't feel the way about Surface that I did.
Anyway, rant over.
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