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re: Anthony Mackie with some really odd comments about the 'Captain America' character
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:08 am to Proximo
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:08 am to Proximo
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Again, this is not what he meant. He hates America because to black people it is a racist country that marginalizes all blacks as they aren’t as successful as whites on average. Why do you think minorities burn the American flag at campus protests so often?
Sounds like you are doing a whole lot of inferring based on a tiny quote. I don't know how you can get all of that when he was talking about the character he's playing in a movie, not his own personal feelings.
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:12 am to whatiknowsofar
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Yes it does. What part about universal characteristics didn't you get?
The part where he says "Captain America represents a lot of different things, and I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations." If this is what he believes, maybe he shouldn't be playing Captain America. Is there a Captain Universal Characteristics he can play?
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 8:14 am
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:22 am to Saint Alfonzo
Captain America isn’t real.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:24 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Captain America represents a lot of different things, and I don’t think the term ‘America’ should be one of those representations.
.....because it's not just America. Universal beliefs mean multiple places all over the world sharing an idealogy of doing good.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:26 am to Proximo
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He hates America because to black people it is a racist country that marginalizes all blacks as they aren’t as successful as whites on average. Why do you think minorities burn the American flag at campus protests so often?
Because victim card and not having personal responsibility for their own situation
Take this bullshite to the poli board. Now you're just generalizing and creating a false narrative.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:34 am to Proximo
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Again, this is not what he meant.
So you know what he meant? Do you know him well? Do your families vacation together or something like that?
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He hates America because to black people it is a racist country that marginalizes all blacks as they aren’t as successful as whites on average.
Everyone just fits it neat little buckets for you, huh?
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Why do you think minorities burn the American flag at campus protests so often?
If you google image search "protesters burning American flag", the vast majority of images returned are not black. And it's not really close.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:40 am to whatiknowsofar
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.....because it's not just America. Universal beliefs mean multiple places all over the world sharing an idealogy of doing good.
Again, he can go play Captain Universal Characteristics then. If he were called Captain Cleveland and claimed that he really reps Detroit, would that make any sense? Neither does the bullshite he said.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:46 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Again, he can go play Captain Universal Characteristics then. If he were called Captain Cleveland and claimed that he really reps Detroit, would that make any sense? Neither does the bullshite he said.
Dude it's a fricking comic book character with multiple authors with multiple interpretations. Find something else to overreact about.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:49 am to RLDSC FAN
Disney needs to rein in talent at some point
The Marvels
The Eternals
Snow White
Captain "I guess NOT America"
The Acolyte
Agatha
All taking press hits in large part due to dumb shite talent says before the movie/show releases.
The Marvels
The Eternals
Snow White
Captain "I guess NOT America"
The Acolyte
Agatha
All taking press hits in large part due to dumb shite talent says before the movie/show releases.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:52 am to whatiknowsofar
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Dude it's a fricking comic book character with multiple authors with multiple interpretations. Find something else to overreact about.
This is a discussion. If you short circuit from an opposing viewpoint, you're the problem. Captain America, by namesake, represents America. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp, yet here you are.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:55 am to Saint Alfonzo
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If you short circuit from an opposing viewpoint, you're the problem. Captain America, by namesake, represents America. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp, yet here you are.
Captain America is a far more nuanced character with over 50 years of stories for you to just say that he only represents America, but if you don't understand the character that's on you.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:04 am to whatiknowsofar
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Captain America is a far more nuanced character with over 50 years of stories for you to just say that he only represents America, but if you don't understand the character that's on you.
I couldn't care less about the "nuance" of a comic book. To claim specifically, like Mackie did, that Captain America should not represent America is nonsense. It's a completely illogical statement.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:06 am to Roaad
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Captain "I guess NOT America"
I love it
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:10 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Captain America, by namesake, represents America. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp, yet here you are.
and this was Chris Evan's back in 2011 promoting Captain America: The First Avenger:
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“Ha, well, to me, I'm not trying to get too lost in the American side of it. This isn't a flag waving movie. It is red, white and blue, but it just so happens that the character was created in America during war time, when there was a common enemy, even though it is Captain America. I've said before in interviews, it feels more like he should just be called Captain Good. [Laughs] You know, he was created at a time when there was this undeniable evil and this guy was kind of created to fight that evil. I think that everyone could agree that Nazis were bad and he, Cap, just so happens to wear the red, white and blue.”
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:12 am to RLDSC FAN
Look, if he was talking about Superman, I'd get it - I'd disagree, but I'd get it.
Superman's tag was "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" - so it's there, but if you disagree with what the "American Way" is then that can be hard to justify one way or the other.
Captain America is, well, Captain AMERICA. If he were to go to another country they would immediately perceive him as representing the US, despite of whatever he's doing.
Unless this is a geography thing and he means his name should be Captain United States, but then that just shortens to Cap US, and that just makes it sound like you're asking someone with a gun to shoot you and your friends.
Superman's tag was "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" - so it's there, but if you disagree with what the "American Way" is then that can be hard to justify one way or the other.
Captain America is, well, Captain AMERICA. If he were to go to another country they would immediately perceive him as representing the US, despite of whatever he's doing.
Unless this is a geography thing and he means his name should be Captain United States, but then that just shortens to Cap US, and that just makes it sound like you're asking someone with a gun to shoot you and your friends.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:14 am to Frac the world
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Movie is going to fricking BOMB
It's so expensive that it could have great numbers for a movie and still be a huge loss for the company.
I don't think it will have great numbers anyway, but it'd have to have massive numbers - only 2 Marvel movies that didn't have a huge ensemble cast managed to make what it needs to - Black Panther and Iron Man 3.
It's not going to get even close to either of those two.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:19 am to skrayper
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It's so expensive that it could have great numbers for a movie and still be a huge loss for the company.
It has a $180 million budget.
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only 2 Marvel movies that didn't have a huge ensemble cast managed to make what it needs to - Black Panther and Iron Man 3.
Captain Marvel did over $1.1 Billion against a budget of $152 million.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:20 am to Saint Alfonzo
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couldn't care less about the "nuance" of a comic book.
That's the character man. You just don't get it. It's ok with me
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:21 am to skrayper
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don't think it will have great numbers anyway, but it'd have to have massive numbers
No one knows what they need to turn a profit. You're just making shite up
Posted on 1/29/25 at 9:21 am to Green Chili Tiger
1970's, post-Nixon.
Marvel's "Nixon" turns out to be a corrupt, power-hungry villain. Disillusioned with his country, Steve Rogers discards his Captain America identity to become Nomad. He eventually decides that he can be Captain America without supporting the government and picks up the shield to represent the ideals, but not any one administration's version of what America should be.
As Marvel Studios did in Civil War and going forward.
Marvel's "Nixon" turns out to be a corrupt, power-hungry villain. Disillusioned with his country, Steve Rogers discards his Captain America identity to become Nomad. He eventually decides that he can be Captain America without supporting the government and picks up the shield to represent the ideals, but not any one administration's version of what America should be.
As Marvel Studios did in Civil War and going forward.
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