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re: Amazon's Wheel of Time adaptation casting news: The 5 Emond's Fielders are cast
Posted on 8/14/19 at 6:44 pm to AtticusOSullivan
Posted on 8/14/19 at 6:44 pm to AtticusOSullivan
How is it “not staying true to the story”?
How does it change the story in any fundamental way
How does it change the story in any fundamental way
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 6:45 pm to Big_Slim
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Stop being a cuck.
Your the one cucking to Hollywood. Not me.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 7:41 pm to AtticusOSullivan
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If Superman was a 86 year old black woman with one leg does it change the story to you?
And we have found the dumbest post in the thread.
Posted on 8/14/19 at 8:55 pm to LSUBoo
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And we have found the dumbest post in the thread.
The point is, since you failed to see it, where do you draw the line? If it's ok to fundamentally change the physical appearance of a character, the societal make up of his backstory, and the entire populations world building the author put into place, at what point does the story no longer represent the story it is supposed to be? This has become a norm in literary to screen works and more often than not it is based on socio political views. We are now accepting this as a norm and it's not just movies. If you can't see this or accept it then you are either:
1. An idiot.
2. A progressive that is to short sighted to see the real outcome which eventually becomes the rewriting of everything whether it be movies, history or perceived reality to fit a certain agenda.
3. An idiot that is to short sighted to see the real outcome which eventually becomes the rewriting of everything whether it be movies, history or percieved reality to fit a certain agenda.
Why can't we just stick to the truth? Because people want to change it to fit an agenda that has nothing to do with the integrity of the source, which takes away from the source material and the authors who actually created something of value.
I choose to not watch or support a rewriting of a story I love. That's my porogative. You choose to allow it that's yours, but I warn you it only gets worse.
In before "Its just a show, calm down."
Posted on 8/15/19 at 12:01 am to AtticusOSullivan
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choose to not watch or support a rewriting of a story I love. That's my porogative.
Sure. And your "porogative" of claiming it's rewritten based solely on the casting news of 5 characters reveals you have as much of an agenda as the people you're decrying.
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Why can't we just stick to the truth? Because people want to change it to fit an agenda that has nothing to do with the integrity of the source, which takes away from the source material and the authors who actually created something of value.
Silly. The one thing many top-tier fantasy authors should be criticized for its their typical lack of imagination in populating their various civilizations. Sure, Jordan created something of value, but that value isn't held by his world's homogeneity. "Tall, strong, and handsome" and "tall, curvy, and gorgeous" aren't that interesting. Jordan describes most of his heroes throughout his continent as such. A couple foreigners are a different color. So casting directors are making his world look more like civilization? That sounds like a good thing.
It really bugs me when people complain about casting ruining the integrity of the source. First, Jordan did that with his last 4 books. If Jordan were still alive, and someone told him Perrin was being played by a non-white actor, you really think he'd say "Well you don't get the story at all. The story only makes sense if everyone is white"? Second, adaptations make changes, and they should. A chapter by chapter filming of the wheel of time series would probably be the most boring, idiotic show in history. Jordan couldn't write an interesting battle to save his life, and he pretty much quit trying after a few books. Are you hoping that we also skip the big battles in the show? Stop hiding behind idiotic agenda rhetoric.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 7:44 am to Fun Bunch
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The Two Rivers folk ARE described as darker than the rest of Andor.
I always took that as more Greecian, Italian or Spanish. I think a light-skinned black man could fill the role nicely but I think they are pushing it by making Nynaeve black. Still, if the roles are portrayed well and they don't make the Whitecloaks a gossamer-thin reference to the KKK then I don't think it ends up being a big deal.
This is Hollywood though so the temptation to SJW it up will be strong.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:19 am to Bard
They need to get Luke Evans in there somewhere, maybe Lan Mandragoran?
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:24 am to David Bowman
I'll reserve judgment until I see the acting, but from first appearances it seems they really whiffed on Mat, my favorite character of the series.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:32 am to CockHolliday
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I'll reserve judgment until I see the acting, but from first appearances it seems they really whiffed on Mat, my favorite character of the series.
WAT
He's the one that is almost universally liked so far. Maybe look at some other pictures of him.
He really could not be more perfect. Definitely the most "on the nose" casting of all of them.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:34 am to Bard
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I always took that as more Greecian, Italian or Spanish.
Which I've said a few times in here.
I get it. People are weary of the constant PC/SJW-ing of Hollywood and beloved characters to fill a diversity quota.
I just think with these particular characters its not THAT big a deal, if the show is done well.
The whitecloaks/kkk thing is a concern for me now. They are supposed to be the Knights Templar, not the KKK.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:36 am to Jay Are
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Silly. The one thing many top-tier fantasy authors should be criticized for its their typical lack of imagination in populating their various civilizations. Sure, Jordan created something of value, but that value isn't held by his world's homogeneity. "Tall, strong, and handsome" and "tall, curvy, and gorgeous" aren't that interesting. Jordan describes most of his heroes throughout his continent as such. A couple foreigners are a different color. So casting directors are making his world look more like civilization? That sounds like a good thing.
Ehhhhh Randland is pretty diverse. The Domani for instance are most certainly Indian, the Saldeans are Egyptian/N African, the Seafolk are black/Carribean, Illian are Dutch, Tear are Spanish, the borderlanders are vaguely Asian for the most part. Etc Etc
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:43 am to AtticusOSullivan
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Why can't we just stick to the truth?
You realize this is an adaptation of a fictional work, right?
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If it's ok to fundamentally change the physical appearance of a character,
You know the actress playing Egwene actually has the darkest skin of the five? She's a large percentage Australian aborigine. Not that it matters since Australia and aborigines don't exist in the Wheel of Time.
It just doesn't matter though, to me, so long as these people can all act the part of their character, and the story stays true to the cultural world that Jordan built.
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That's my porogative.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 9:53 am to Fun Bunch
No complaints about the cast as long as the actors can act and be the Emond Fielders from the Novels.
As for Branden Sanderson, I thought he did an excellent job completing the story, even if his strength isn’t character building. For me, his biggest failure was abandoning the Traveling People, the Tinkers and their song, and it’s part in the Last Battle, all very important to Robert Jordan.
I’m excited about this show and just hope it doesn’t come off as a MTV/CW teen fest.
As for Branden Sanderson, I thought he did an excellent job completing the story, even if his strength isn’t character building. For me, his biggest failure was abandoning the Traveling People, the Tinkers and their song, and it’s part in the Last Battle, all very important to Robert Jordan.
I’m excited about this show and just hope it doesn’t come off as a MTV/CW teen fest.
Posted on 8/15/19 at 10:23 am to Broken Coyote
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I’m excited about this show and just hope it doesn’t come off as a MTV/CW teen fest.
I think the casting of Pike as Moiraine and shifting some focus to her should put that to rest.
With expanding Moiraine that should also expand Lan, so you have some adults with expanded roles.
Also the showrunner has said he plans on expanding Logain quite a bit so that should help.
Posted on 8/16/19 at 5:58 pm to Fun Bunch
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Let me ask if this way, does Perrin and Nynaeve being a difference ethnicity than what is in the source material change the CHARACTERS or STORY in any way?
As others have said, Perrin and the White Cloaks.
Posted on 8/17/19 at 8:01 am to MFn GIMP
I hope Ice Cube is Lan.
Posted on 8/17/19 at 8:54 am to MFn GIMP
I don’t think that changes the story in any fundamental way beyond peoples perception. If they make the whitecloaks multiethnic as they should be, then it won’t matter too much. It’ll be a more difficult approach now politically but it’ll be fine.
After the initial announcement, I’m glad things have settled down and most people are being reasonable.
Follow some of the actors on social media and they are really into it. They’ve all read the books and seem to be quite respectful of the source material. Let’s just hope they do a good job.
After the initial announcement, I’m glad things have settled down and most people are being reasonable.
Follow some of the actors on social media and they are really into it. They’ve all read the books and seem to be quite respectful of the source material. Let’s just hope they do a good job.
Posted on 8/17/19 at 9:41 am to MFn GIMP
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As others have said, Perrin and the White Cloaks.
I don’t recall the White Cloaks having anything to do with race. Their prejudice was against magic wasn’t it? How would Perrin being black affect that relationship?
Posted on 8/17/19 at 10:25 am to David Bowman
People are worried that they will draw too close a parallel to the KKK and honestly it could be a valid concern. It’s something they will have to approach carefully to avoid that perception.
However, the show runner is a bit of an SJW so some are concerned they will intentionally try to draw that parallel.
However, the show runner is a bit of an SJW so some are concerned they will intentionally try to draw that parallel.
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