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re: Alien Franchise
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:36 am to Rep520
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:36 am to Rep520
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Some people dislike that it's depressing and feels different from the first two.
A lot of people disliked it because it took a steaming dump on the ending of the second one. Hell, the way they did Carrie Henn (Newt) is abysmal.
Hell, even the author of the novelization was upset at them killing off Newt but the studio forced him to rewrite his novel to fit her death. He basically told the studio he would never do another novelization for them again.
James Cameron also was irked at how Hicks and Newt were treated (basically dumped like unceremonious garbage) at the start of the film.
Newt literally died because the director found her "annoying".
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:53 am to skrayper
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A lot of people disliked it because it took a steaming dump on the ending of the second one.
I'm trying not to spoiler for OP, but I was ok with that because the movie just commits to that dark direction. 3 starts dark, you see characters trying to pull it out of the darkness and ultimately they fail, leading to the climax.
That's why I'm ok with 3. It goes down a dark, bleak path and never apologizes for it. The ending with Ripley fits that well, where it's actually the best ending for her and the right thing.
I mean, I like it, but I can fully understand why others hate it and it's divisive. It's not the easiest movie to like, especially if you liked #2.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:23 am to cigsmcgee
quote:Same here. But happy to see others enjoyed it more.
Prometheus was very pretty and dumb.
quote:I don't remember much, but remember liking some parts of it.
Covenant was a mess and pretty terrible.
I think the franchise ended up spending way too much time with the origins of the Aliens.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:34 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I think the franchise ended up spending way too much time with the origins of the Aliens.
Too often they resort to answering questions that no one (or at least very few people) were asking. Answering "who was the giant dead alien at the beginning of Alien" would have been a lot more meaningful closer to when Alien came out - by the time it did, most people are like, "Wait, there was a dead alien in that?"
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:41 pm to jlovel7
When it comes to that franchise, I wish I didn’t know what I know now about it.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:44 pm to alajones
I picked up a DVD box set of of the first four Alien movies at a thrift store last year for $5. Been meaning to watch Alien 3. I think there's a documentary attached to it about the process of making the movie. There were all sorts of scripts and story pitches for it -- including a famous one by William Gibson where the xenomorph ends on an medieval planet where they don't even have metal and a bunch of monks have to battle it.
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:52 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I don't remember much, but remember liking some parts of it.
I think the franchise ended up spending way too much time with the origins of the Aliens.
This was def true of Covenant. which is a shame, cause i thought kathrine waterston was really fantastic casting.
her character and performance held so much promise, but the story ends up just being about David and his schemes i didnt really care about any of that at all, and i really hate the direction they took with explaining the alien's origins.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:59 pm to cigsmcgee
SPOILERS OF COVENANT
Anyone who watcheD Prometheus or Covenant wanted more background on the engineers. I could have cared less about the actual xenomorphs (sp?).
I get that we are supposed to not really know anything since they are probably all dead thanks to David, but their story is what drew me in to the previous two films.
Anyone who watcheD Prometheus or Covenant wanted more background on the engineers. I could have cared less about the actual xenomorphs (sp?).
I get that we are supposed to not really know anything since they are probably all dead thanks to David, but their story is what drew me in to the previous two films.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:10 pm to jlovel7
Likely same as most, I'd say the 1st two are only great movies. The others vary from worth watching once to meh.
The "prequels", Prometheus and Covenant, are incredible in concept but the follow through is not very good. Kind of like the Star Wars prequels.
The "prequels", Prometheus and Covenant, are incredible in concept but the follow through is not very good. Kind of like the Star Wars prequels.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 3:18 pm to Dr RC
“Grrr I’m angry about my wife, gonna get payback!!”
“You can’t do that! You’ll sacrifice 1000 lives onboard the ship!!”
“Don’t care will do anyway”
“Whelp Okay”
“You can’t do that! You’ll sacrifice 1000 lives onboard the ship!!”
“Don’t care will do anyway”
“Whelp Okay”
Posted on 1/20/20 at 8:28 pm to Havoc
All OP needs to know is that all of them are at least enjoyable. Alien 3 is criminally underrated; it’s arguably the second best in the franchise IMO.
And Prometheus is nowhere near as bad as people say it is. It’s not great cinema, and sure the characters make irrational decisions left and right. But it’s a solid movie and a great one to not get caught up in the details. Covenant was pretty meh, but even still enjoyable enough.
And Prometheus is nowhere near as bad as people say it is. It’s not great cinema, and sure the characters make irrational decisions left and right. But it’s a solid movie and a great one to not get caught up in the details. Covenant was pretty meh, but even still enjoyable enough.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:22 pm to CocomoLSU
Oh yeah, to clarify they’re all good watching IMO. Not a waste of watch time at all. I mean, we can pick apart the little things but that doesn’t mean it’s a bad watch. No regrets on them.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:47 pm to Havoc
Alien was definitely better before we learned the origin or backstories.
It was better as just a monster movie...instead of what Prometheus and Covenant tried to make it.
It was better as just a monster movie...instead of what Prometheus and Covenant tried to make it.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:09 am to alajones
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I saw Alien 3 once in theater and have no desire to ever see it again.
I felt the same way for a long time. As Ive gotten older I watched it several times and learned to appreciate it especially the assembly cut. The sound track is the best in the series imo.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:21 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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It was better as just a monster movie...instead of what Prometheus and Covenant tried to make it.
I thought Covenant was just a monster movie. It ditched most of the exploration and unknown for Aliens ripping people apart.
Covenant's problem was that the characters actions frequently made no sense and that the plot was very by the numbers, but it was a monster movie.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:13 am to Rep520
Also, for the OP, once you finish with the franchise you should give Alien vs. Predator a try (and if you have never seen the first two Predator movies, watch them ASAP and before AVP).
But I admittedly liked AVP way, way more than I should have.
But I admittedly liked AVP way, way more than I should have.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:28 am to CocomoLSU
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But I admittedly liked AVP way, way more than I should have.
I thought the first AVP was ok. It's nothing remarkable, but I enjoyed watching it.
The second, Requiem, was probably the darkest movie I've ever seen. Not dark in tone, dark as in the lighting was so bad, you couldn't see jack. I've never had that complaint before, but I literally couldn't see half of what was going on.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:55 am to boston vol
The farther along we go from it, the better 3 seems to me.
Resurrection was dumb fun. 3 suffered from studio mismanagement up and down the line and still ended up a passable horror story.
I would've loved the Gibson script being made though.
As we went from xenomorph makes victims other eggs before it dies like a mayfly.
To there's a queen that makes more durable progeny.
To Gibson's, they also create an infectious spore that can cause people to turn.
Resurrection was dumb fun. 3 suffered from studio mismanagement up and down the line and still ended up a passable horror story.
I would've loved the Gibson script being made though.
As we went from xenomorph makes victims other eggs before it dies like a mayfly.
To there's a queen that makes more durable progeny.
To Gibson's, they also create an infectious spore that can cause people to turn.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:00 am to jlovel7
I loved Alien. I actually thought Aliens was disappointing.
Alien 3 is just weird. Alien Resurrection is a lot like Aliens but goofier in tone.
I hated Prometheus but loved Covenant. Covenant might be my second favorite Alien film.
Alien 3 is just weird. Alien Resurrection is a lot like Aliens but goofier in tone.
I hated Prometheus but loved Covenant. Covenant might be my second favorite Alien film.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:09 am to BulldogXero
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I actually thought Aliens was disappointing.
It should've been. If you told audiences that Jaws 2 was going to be about a naval task force that is sent out to wipe out sharks but finds the tables turned when schools of Great Whites devour their ships, they'd say, "Wait. That's not Jaws."
But it was the 80's and we loved excess and the movie kicked arse.
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