re: After Leonardo, which Ninja Turtle was the best fighter?

Why did you make douches possessive (twice)?

I was such a fan of the comic that I bought the spinoff, Fully Adult Thermonuclear Samurai Elephants. I swear to God, I'm not making that up.

Seriously when did Donatello start garnishing so much respect? He has always been the loser of the bunch.

At first glance most of the kids back in the day liked Mike, the goofy fun loving character. Then slowly some of the leader wanna-bes drifted over to Leo. As my generation aged, it became clear that Raph was the coolest because he was the anti-hero of the group, the meanest, baddest fighter who was the borderline anti-thesis to the clean cut Leo and the darker complement to Mike. Donatello's entire existence was predicated on the idea that the writers needed someone to come up with cool ideas to move the story along. There's a reason he used a staff: he had to keep his distance because he couldn't hack it at fighting like the other turtles.

Think about when Casey Jones knocked Raphel's arse into the trash can and put him to sleep.

then think about in "Shades of Grey" Casey Jones encounters the donatello by a ravine as he was pondering "the fractal structure of natural patterns". Casey accuses the turtle of using big words and acting better than everyone else. Donatello suggests they should continue the conversation when Casey is sober. Grabbing a stick, an angry Jones continually pokes the turtle until he loses his temper and sends Casey careening into the water.

donatello can beat casey jones who can beat raphael.

Pure fighting skill is not the same as being the best fighter. Clearly Raph has the most raw beat-your-arse ability, but his inability to control his temper drops him on the list. If your opponent pissing you off causes you to flip your shite and LOSE the fight, you're not the best fighter.

Mikie goofs around too much. He's that stereotypical villain-type, that will beat you down but showboat enough for you to regain strength and frick him up.

I don't think Don has the fighting skill needed to overpass Leo in this conversation, though his intelligence would help him win many fights.

So Leo it is.

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So Leo it is.

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Except for the fact that Leo and Raph have fought and Raph clearly beat him.

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raphael had the most potential but he let his anger get ahold of him and he'd lose focus

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wrong, raph was the best

i do agree he let his anger get the best of him at times, but when shite got real deal holyfield, you wanted raph leading the charge, no question

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Well, if we want to look at actual video evidence

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Leo getting Whooped by Raph

I think everyone is selling Mike's humor short as a fighting tool. He is so goofy that he lulls his opponents into a sense of security, then he strikes. Before they know it he's cracking more jokes and eating pizza over their lifeless bodies.

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Leo getting Whooped by Raph

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Psh, after the "I whipped your arse with a shoryuken even though you were armored" moment, Leo was obviously thrown off his game by the surprise of it being Raph. He clearly held back!