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re: A League of Their Own- Why did Dottie drop the ball on purpose?

Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:07 pm to
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Penny Marshall has discussed it a few times. On one special edition commentary she said Dottie did it on purpose, Penny took a lot of shite for that. So I think her official position now is that it is up to the viewer to decide what happened. Dottie doing it on purpose was what she said initially though, so take that for what it's worth when you watch it.

To be honest, the most compelling argument for me that she did do it in purpose is that the film was made by a woman.
Posted by L5UT1ger
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:52 pm to
Dottie failed at nothing in baseball but suddenly cant hold onto the ball because that wimp, Kit, hits her? BS

Dottie does what Dottie wants. She wanted out and took her chance to do it. She didnt miss the ball or fail to block the plate because that would have been too obvious. Dottie is a proud girl.

You dont see Dottie grasping for the ball when it comes loose. She just lets go.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 3:56 pm to
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She just lets go.


This is a great debate/discussion.

I do not dispute that she let go of the ball as she was letting go of baseball (in a not-so-subtle metaphor).

But she did not drop it on purpose. Kit knocked it loose.

quote:

She didnt miss the ball or fail to block the plate because that would have been too obvious. Dottie is a proud girl.


So, not only is she tanking, she's tanking so smartly as to make it look good?

Meh. Still don't buy it (as I once did).

Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:01 pm to
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Subtle? I thought it was pretty well known she did.

First off, the freaking director said she did. Second, any self respecting baseball fan knows she did.

Dottie dropped it on purpose because she realized, in the grand scope of things, it didn't matter. She came back to once again prove to her shitty sister she was better, and when she hit that comebacker straight at her Kit was completely broken. Had Dottie put her out at the plate, Kit would've hated her for the rest of her life.

Dottie had her husband, her family, and had not intentions of playing baseball beyond that year. She didn't need fame. Kit did. Losing that game saved her sister from a lifetime of hate and regret.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:14 pm to
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Losing that game saved her sister from a lifetime of hate and regret.


If Kit figured out she tanked it on purpose, she would have hated her even more.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29330 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:19 pm to
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If Kit figured out she tanked it on purpose, she would have hated her even more.


Dottie wouldn't tell her. Probably wouldn't ever tell anyone. Why let her win and then tell her about it? What purpose does that serve?
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:22 pm to
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Why let her win and then tell her about it? What purpose does that serve?


Why come back and play to let her win?

Why take the win away from all of her teammates (and manager) to "let" her win?

The circle, she goes round and round.
Posted by Wild Thang
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Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:41 pm to
She DID NOT drop it on purpose. Kit just wanted it more.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56147 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:42 pm to
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that wimp, Kit,
Don't pollute the thread with your stink of failure.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56147 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:48 pm to
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First off, the freaking director said she did
She was just being a fickle woman.

Everything else that Dottie did in that game reflects a ruthless will to win. She had no way of knowing that Kit would be on base and running home for the winning run at that point in the game, thereby giving Dottie the chance to artfully drop the ball.

Penny Marshall is just jerking you off. There. Get that image out of your head.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
59039 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 4:52 pm to
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Why come back and play to let her win?

Why take the win away from all of her teammates (and manager) to "let" her win?


more importantly, Why go out to the mound to tell the pitcher how to strike Kit out, especially if it was seeing Kit balling in the dugout after Dottie got the big double that made her realize how much it made to Kit since that was you know BEFORE she told the pitcher how to strike her out.

Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
19253 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 5:14 pm to
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She does. And people who think she didn't are fricking Communists.


FIFY
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101913 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 5:34 pm to
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Second, any self respecting baseball fan knows she did.


Any self respecting baseball fan gets nauseous and angry at the notion that she let it go on purpose.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29330 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 5:47 pm to
Ace, I think this is the first thing we've disagreed on.

You're still my e-bro.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37204 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:29 pm to
quote:

First off, the freaking director said she did. Second, any self respecting baseball fan knows she did.

Dottie dropped it on purpose because she realized, in the grand scope of things, it didn't matter. She came back to once again prove to her shitty sister she was better, and when she hit that comebacker straight at her Kit was completely broken. Had Dottie put her out at the plate, Kit would've hated her for the rest of her life.

Dottie had her husband, her family, and had not intentions of playing baseball beyond that year. She didn't need fame. Kit did. Losing that game saved her sister from a lifetime of hate and regret.


This is no place for reason and logic, apparently.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37204 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:31 pm to
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more importantly, Why go out to the mound to tell the pitcher how to strike Kit out, especially if it was seeing Kit balling in the dugout after Dottie got the big double that made her realize how much it made to Kit since that was you know BEFORE she told the pitcher how to strike her out.


Constantly focusing on when she made the decison to drop it, on purpose does you guys no good. It doesn't matter WHEN she decided, the idea is that she DID decide. You're trying to look at the sequence of events in a very "win first," perspective, so you're ordering everything that way. When, in actuality, Dottie decided, at some point, most likely when Kit was rounding bases, to drop the ball. On purpose.

Just because she decided at a inconvenient point, iyo, doesn't make the decision any less obvious.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:10 pm to


I don't have the patience for this right now. I'll catch this argument the next time it comes around.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16909 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 9:28 pm to
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She doesn't. And people who think she did are fricking Communists.


I came here to say this. Precisely this.
Posted by DocHoliday11
South Georgia
Member since Jun 2013
4313 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:50 pm to
Wow guys. I didn't know there were actually people out there who thought she didn't drop it on purpose... Of course she intentionally dropped it

And to the one poster who said kit is the star of the movie.. You're either trolling with decent bait or probably also think Jamie Foxx is the hero in law abiding citizen
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 10:52 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89435 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 10:56 pm to
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And to the one poster who said kit is the star of the movie.


I didn't say that. I said it was, mainly, Kit's story. Talented, but raw, triple threat baseball player - caught in the shadow of her big sister. Ends up a supporting player on her sister's team - gets traded to another team, where she become's their superstar - and beats her big sister in the big game.

Now, there are other stories in this - a dude fighting for women's baseball, a dude who drank everything away and has a chance to get some of it back, a gal who's caught doing something she's really good at, but doesn't love (and has to give that up for family) - but the pure "sports" story is Kit's, period.

But, Hanks and Davis are the "stars" - not Tank Girl. I don't dispute that.
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