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re: You have to start an MLB team with a pitcher/hitter from the same team...
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:15 pm to MrWiseGuy
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:15 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:Going forward Verlander>Scherzer
It may not be a huge gap, but it's decisively in Scherzer's favor.
Look at the K/9 and WHIPs the past two seasons.
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:16 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:+
Potential gets GMs fired.
Very true statement.
Two things frick GMS over constantly:
1. Falling in love with prospects (when in reality, most never quite turn out the way you think) and thus refusing to make a deal. (I think the Cards could've had a deal made for Tulowitzki using Taveras as the centerpiece)
2. Signing players to ridiculous contracts based on what they've done in the past, especially when your team isn't ready to compete. (looking at you Jack Zduriencik)
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:18 pm to Lester Earl
Matt Moore?
Mike Minor?
Alex Wood?
Johnny Cueto?
Yadi Molina?
Jered Weaver?
You are starting a team. You get a pitcher and a hitter. It's fun to mention every team's best hitter and pitcher, but there are only like 5 options here
Mike Minor?
Alex Wood?
Johnny Cueto?
Yadi Molina?
Jered Weaver?
You are starting a team. You get a pitcher and a hitter. It's fun to mention every team's best hitter and pitcher, but there are only like 5 options here
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:19 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Going forward Verlander>Scherzer
Based on what? Certainly not the last ~ 220 games.
Since the 2012 ASB, Scherzer might be the second best pitcher in baseball.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:20 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
You are starting a team. You get a pitcher and a hitter. It's fun to mention every team's best hitter and pitcher, but there are only like 5 options here
Matt Harvey if healthy would garner major consideration. That and if the Mets best hitter wasn't David Wright.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:22 pm to MrWiseGuy
Scherzer is a 1.5 younger with 800 less IPs than Verlander too
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:25 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:Verlander's track record and talent
Based on what? Certainly not the last ~ 220 games.
Since the 2012 ASB, Scherzer might be the second best pitcher in baseball.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:49 pm to VerlanderBEAST
The correct answer is Trout and whomever you want to give me from the angels pitching staff.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Perhaps if the rules of this discussion were a little more clear, then it would be easier to pick a tandem. Is it based off of overall talent? Overall potential? Youth? Contract status? Market? etc. You cant just say "Pick two guys. Go". I would damn well take any of those three tandems Ive said earlier. Machado is 4 yrs younger than Stanton and is already an elite IF defensively. He has hit at every level. Stanton has been in the league for 4 yrs now and has a career .890 OPS so he is still all potential too. He's a plus defender with off the charts power and Fernandez is a true no.1 and top 3 pitcher in the game potential so I def get why you could make that case, it's just not as clear cut as anyone may think and there are other valid answers. I think long term and would want the elite infielder that is 20 yrs old with the no.1/ace pitching prospect as opposed to projected but not yet elite power hitter and rookie sensation/ace.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:55 pm to dnm3305
Stanton has years of 34 and 37 home runs before his age 24 season, yet you say ...
quote:
not yet elite power hitter
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:56 pm to dnm3305
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Perhaps if the rules of this discussion were a little more clear, then it would be easier to pick a tandem. Is it based off of overall talent? Overall potential? Youth? Contract status? Market? etc. You cant just say "Pick two guys. Go".
You have to start an MLB team with a pitcher/hitter from the same team...
So if MLB means Major League Baseball, you aren't choosing minor leaguers I assume.
You can pick old guys or minor leaguers if you wish. It's dumb but its your internet my man
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Stanton has been in the league for 4 yrs now and has a career .890 OPS so he is still all potential too.
Wat
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:09 pm to Moustache
I agree with taking Mike Trout and anyone on the Angels staff. That's how good Trout is.
I don't entirely disagree with Moustache, but I wanted to talk about his two things that kill GM's.
Top 10 prospects tend to pan out. But there's almost no difference in the success rate of a guy ranked #20 and ranked 100. The success rate curve has a sharp slope. And you need minor leaguers to come up and play for your team because they are cheap and allow you to afford superstars. The key is making a decision. You have to know who to trade and who to promote. And you have to do it. AA is a long way from the majors and a stud in A-ball means nothing. Indecision is the biggest sin.
Absolutely. or as Branch Rickey said: it is better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late.
I don't entirely disagree with Moustache, but I wanted to talk about his two things that kill GM's.
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1. Falling in love with prospects (when in reality, most never quite turn out the way you think) and thus refusing to make a deal. (I think the Cards could've had a deal made for Tulowitzki using Taveras as the centerpiece)
Top 10 prospects tend to pan out. But there's almost no difference in the success rate of a guy ranked #20 and ranked 100. The success rate curve has a sharp slope. And you need minor leaguers to come up and play for your team because they are cheap and allow you to afford superstars. The key is making a decision. You have to know who to trade and who to promote. And you have to do it. AA is a long way from the majors and a stud in A-ball means nothing. Indecision is the biggest sin.
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2. Signing players to ridiculous contracts based on what they've done in the past, especially when your team isn't ready to compete
Absolutely. or as Branch Rickey said: it is better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:09 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:
Stanton has been in the league for 4 yrs now and has a career .890 OPS so he is still all potential too.
Wat
Trout - 404/548/951
Stanton - 353/537/890
Cabrera - 398/566/963
Stanton is known primarily as a power hitter. If that's the case, he needs to start hitting for more power. That's why im saying he's still playing with potential. If he ever turns into what they think he will turn into then he could be one of the best players in the game.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:13 pm to dnm3305
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. If that's the case, he needs to start hitting for more power.
he's 24 and has 117 career HRs. lol
and he's never played a full season.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:16 pm to Baloo
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Top 10 prospects tend to pan out. But there's almost no difference in the success rate of a guy ranked #20 and ranked 100. The success rate curve has a sharp slope. And you need minor leaguers to come up and play for your team because they are cheap and allow you to afford superstars. The key is making a decision. You have to know who to trade and who to promote. And you have to do it. AA is a long way from the majors and a stud in A-ball means nothing. Indecision is the biggest sin.
I can't disagree with any of that except for more than a few top 10 guys don't pan out. Right now, the cards are banking on Taveras working out. I think it's a safer bet to have traded him for a long term SS in Tulo and bank on one of Piscotty/Grichuk/Ramsey locking down the open OF spot.
As far as top 10, there sure seem to be a lot of busts or guys who underwhelm to me:
2007
2006
2005
Unless by "pan out" you mean at a minimum "make the bigs and start a few years."
Prospects never seem to turn out quite as good as people think they will be. Every now and then you'll have a HUGE surprise (Miggy Cabrera, Trout, etc.), but for the most part most prospects on the top prospects list will never be an all-star.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:19 pm to Bama Bird
quote:
Justin Verlander and Miguel Cabrera
I am with you there!
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:22 pm to Lester Earl
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he's 24 and has 117 career HRs. lol
and he's never played a full season.
Exactly. I thought he was trolling/being sarcastic when he said Stanton was all potential and isn't a power hitter.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:27 pm to Moustache
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Exactly. I thought he was trolling/being sarcastic when he said Stanton was all potential and isn't a power hitter.
"All potential" was the wrong wordage. I meant he isnt what the scouts thought he would be yet and still has potential to turn into that. 3 yrs ago, you couldnt find a scout that would say he would hit less than 45 hrs in a season. He hasnt done that once yet.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:32 pm to dnm3305
most scouts would still tell you there isnt a player in the majors with more power.
he has 2 of the 4 longest HRs in the MLB this year. Including the furthest
he has 2 of the 4 longest HRs in the MLB this year. Including the furthest
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:34 pm to sland36
Stanton and fernandez
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