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re: You have to start an MLB team with a pitcher/hitter from the same team...
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:53 am to The Sad Banana
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:53 am to The Sad Banana
FTR, I think Stanton is a great player. I just think Harper will be better.
I expect Stanton to be a ~.260 hitter, and have consistent 35-45+ HR power.
I expect Harper to be a .280+ hitter, and have consistent 30+ HR power with much better value in defense and base running.
I believe the difference between these two offsets the difference between Fernandez and Strasburg.
I expect Stanton to be a ~.260 hitter, and have consistent 35-45+ HR power.
I expect Harper to be a .280+ hitter, and have consistent 30+ HR power with much better value in defense and base running.
I believe the difference between these two offsets the difference between Fernandez and Strasburg.
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:55 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Is that a bad thing?
Well, that's a lot of mileage on such a young arm. I wouldn't want to be the team signing him to a huge deal starting in 2018.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:57 am to Moustache
What you are missing in this whole thing is that Fernandez is sooooo good that he makes the package of Fernandez / Stanton the choice.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:57 am to Moustache
Trout is probably good enough to carry whomever the Angel's best pitcher might be. Garrett Richards?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 11:58 am to Moustache
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I expect Stanton to be a ~.260 hitter, and have consistent 35-45+ HR power.
Who gives a frick about average?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:00 pm to MrWiseGuy
Fernandez is 12-0 with an ERA of 1.00 in his starts at home in his career.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:00 pm to Moustache
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Well, that's a lot of mileage on such a young arm. I wouldn't want to be the team signing him to a huge deal starting in 2018.
As opposed to the alternative of a guy not having proven to be durable?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:06 pm to MrWiseGuy
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Who gives a frick about average?
I know a lot of people are viewing it as a caveman stat, but I do in this case.
Stanton swings at so much, not only will Harper's average be better, his OBP will be better too, thus making him the more complete player, IMO.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:06 pm to The Sad Banana
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Trout is probably good enough to carry whomever the Angel's best pitcher might be. Garrett Richards?
As unpredictable as arm injuries and careers are, he just might be.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:07 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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As opposed to the alternative of a guy not having proven to be durable?
I didn't say that. I was just answering your question. I'm not choosing Madbum in this scenario because I don't like any of the Giants' hitters better than I do some of the other guys out there.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:17 pm to Moustache
You don't like Posey?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:26 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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Is that a bad thing?
no, but if im starting a team right now..Jose Fernandez just hit 200IP all together for his career.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:27 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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You don't like Posey?
I like him, but I think catching has taking a huge toll on his bat. I don't think he'll ever be the hitter he was in 2010-2012 again. Hopefully I'm wrong on that, because Posey is one of my favorite players. I just believe that if he pulled a biggio and went full time to 1B, 2B, or 3B he'd become a very feared hitter.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:28 pm to Moustache
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Stanton swings at so much, not only will Harper's average be better, his OBP will be better too, thus making him the more complete player, IMO.
Stanton from 2013
74 BB in 507 plate app
Harper from 2013
61 BB in 497 plate app
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:29 pm to Lester Earl
quote:The possibility of a guy not being durable enough to handle a starting pitching load is a far bigger worry than the possibility of a guy who's handled that load breaking down.
no, but if im starting a team right now..Jose Fernandez just hit 200IP all together for his career.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:32 pm to VerlanderBEAST
pitchers only have so many innings in them though.
imagine 5 years from now, if Bum keeps up this pace. Sure he's durable, but he's probably also tailing off.
imagine 5 years from now, if Bum keeps up this pace. Sure he's durable, but he's probably also tailing off.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:33 pm to VerlanderBEAST
you arent actually arguing for madison bumgarner right?
I mean he's a fine pitcher, but he's not in this discussion.
I mean he's a fine pitcher, but he's not in this discussion.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:38 pm to Lester Earl
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Stanton from 2013
74 BB in 507 plate app
Harper from 2013
61 BB in 497 plate app
Gotta take their teams into account also. A lot more pitchers pitch around Stanton because the Marlins suck, especially last year.
They have identical OBP for their career and Harper is younger. The higher contact rate and BA for Harper will drive in more runs most likely.
The o-contact and z-contact for Harper is significantly higher than Stanton. They both swing at about 33-34% of pitches outside the zone. They both have tremendous power.
From a hitting standpoint, statistics suggest their value will be about the same, if not a little tilted in Harper's favor over the next 5 years. However, Harper has way more value on D.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:39 pm to Moustache
That's all great.....so is his OBP going to be higher or what?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:43 pm to tzimme4
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A healthy Jose Cueto and Joey Votto
Was scrolling through to see how long it would take someone to mention these two. Cueto is pitching as well as anyone right now (2-2 1.15ERA, .77WHIP, 50K/14BB), he just isn't getting any run support. His only 2 wins this year have been a CGSO and a CG 1 run effort.
For pure years left - I think I would choose Trout/Skaggs
Didn't read through whole thread, but what about K-Rod/Braun right now (K-Rod has 13saves already this year with a 0ERA/.69WHIP...)
Other options would be:
Verlander/Miggy (has to be the #1 choice - last 3 AL MVP's between the two of them)
Kershaw/Hanley, Puig,
Fernandez/Stanton
King Felix/Cano
Wainwright/Molina (Amazing combo if we are counting Molina's defense - but I know, he's old)
Darvish/Prince - well, not Prince right now...
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 12:47 pm
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