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re: You Are the NBA Commissioner: How Would You Handle Sterling?
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:45 pm to jacks40
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:45 pm to jacks40
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And if they would have boycotted tonight's game your reaction would have been a positive or negative one?
For me, if it was anyone other than a player on a rookie contract, it would be a negative one. All of the guys should have known who they were involved with when they signed large contracts. If I was Chris Paul, for example, I would have vetoed any trade that sent me to the Clippers after hearing about the Maggette/Brand shower stuff, not to mention the housing discrimination lawsuits, hiring Korean bodyguards for African-American majority apartments in the wake of the LA riots, etc.
If I know this stuff back in 2010, then any employee of Donald Sterling should know this, too, especially one who has dozens of other choices.
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Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
They could always quite. The NBA is just like any other job.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:46 pm to jacks40
Im for acting like adults and making own decision if want to watch or pay for prroduct. Having someone come down with a punishment just so johnny can act like it matters in his life is just playing to the lcd. You have to be mildly retarded if him getting a suspension makes you feel good. I wouod feel better that people chose not to give him their money rather than a figure head say go away a year then we all go back to normal. When companies please si groups it appeases the pitch fork crowd because they are dumb enough to think they made difference
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Here's the deal--faulting players for their handling of this is stupid.
i disagree fully. they're either hypocrites or idiots.
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There are a myriad of more relevant issues affecting whom they sign with (again, it's not always their decision where they land) other than the druthers of the owner.
griffin chose to re-up. cp3 hand-picked a list of teams that he'd allow himself to be traded to. the list was short, and it included the clippers (actually it was basically the only real shot for a sign and trade)
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:47 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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There are a myriad of more relevant issues affecting whom they sign with (again, it's not always their decision where they land) other than the druthers of the owner.
Doc Rivers and Chris Paul had all the power in the world over where they would be. They chose the Clippers.
I'm not calling out the Reggie Bullocks and the Wille Greens of the world, but for Doc and Paul to show outrage rings more than a little false.
ETA: I am very curious to see how Simmons responds to this. He will probably completely sidestep how he has been a season ticket holder for the Clippers for years. And he OBVIOUSLY knows all of this stuff about Sterling (plus 100 times more than what I know since he is a true NBA insider, who hears rumors we couldn't even imagine).
This post was edited on 4/27/14 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:47 pm to Keys Open Doors
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If I know this stuff back in 2010, then any employee of Donald Sterling should know this, too,
i knew this shite in the pre-internet era back when loy vaught and pooh richardson was holding it down
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:48 pm to fightingtiger2335
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But we never let the free market decide.
If Sterling is suspended or fined, that is the free market in action. The only reason, at the end of the day, the NBA will act is if it feels this hurts their brand. The NBA disciplining Sterling has nothing to do with racism, it has to do with making the customer happy.
And people signed with the Clippers because they like money. Surprisingly, the biggest factor in free agent movement is size of contract.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:48 pm to Baloo
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And people signed with the Clippers because they like money. Surprisingly, the biggest factor in free agent movement is size of contract.
this argument doesn't apply to cp3 or rivers, though
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Here's the deal--faulting players for their handling of this is stupid.
i disagree fully. they're either hypocrites or idiots.
Do you apply that same logic to the other NBA owners who had the same facts or more and had MUCH more power and leverage to do something about the issue?
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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they're either hypocrites or idiots.
I reject this out of hand.
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griffin chose to re-up. cp3 hand-picked a list of teams that he'd allow himself to be traded to. the list was short, and it included the clippers (actually it was basically the only real shot for a sign and trade)
Like I said, there are more pressing issues than the druthers of the owner--team composition being chief among them when chasing a title. Does not mean that they shouldn't take DS to task for his comments that were made public.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:50 pm to jacks40
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Do you apply that same logic to the other NBA owners who had the same facts or more and had MUCH more power and leverage to do something about the issue?
i already said i agreed with keys that i have no idea how he hasn't been disciplined prior, so yes
this is one of the least racist things he's done in his laundry list of racist/public behavior
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is one of the least racist things he's done in his laundry list of racist/public behavior
But also the one withe least amount of plausable deniability as well right?
eta except for heckling Baron Davis from courtside but IIRC it was nothing racial
This post was edited on 4/27/14 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:51 pm to Baloo
Will the nba do it because of special interest grouos going after ads or actual people choosing.
Being a talk radio fan there are countless cases of people who never heard a show helping get a show off the air by going after advertisers. If 3 people email that stands out more than the 200 who didnt ajd weremt offended
Being a talk radio fan there are countless cases of people who never heard a show helping get a show off the air by going after advertisers. If 3 people email that stands out more than the 200 who didnt ajd weremt offended
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah, the actual content of what he said in the calls (both TMZ and Deadspin) is shockingly not racist or aggressive by Sterling standards.
By Sterling standards being the key phrase
By Sterling standards being the key phrase
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:52 pm to Keys Open Doors
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Doc Rivers and Chris Paul had all the power in the world over where they would be. They chose the Clippers.
The reasons to sign with the Clips outweighed the negatives. This isn't a zero-sum argument. Again, no player or coach hoping to make a long career out of or chasing a title in a league as competitive as the NBA allows the druthers of an owner to be a deciding factor in where they sign.
But that doesn't mean that the owner can shite on the nationality of many of his players without consequence. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:55 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Maybe they should boycott and refuse their paychecks from the racist fricker
ETA: not condoning but it's a job. You choose to be employed at a job. This is part of the larger political problem. They should all force to be traded or tank the games.
ETA: not condoning but it's a job. You choose to be employed at a job. This is part of the larger political problem. They should all force to be traded or tank the games.
This post was edited on 4/27/14 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:56 pm to jg8623
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The NBA is still a business, they can most definitely take action
And he still has a wife that hes going thru a divorce with. The girlfriend who hes talking to in the tape is a lot younger and is half black and half mexican, but they arent like exclusive boyfriend/girlfriend. Hes just using her for sex i assume and shes using his money
Okay, well I need to catch up on certain aspects of what went on.
Yea, they can do stuff. Suspend him, fine him - They can probably probably can force him to give up ownership (there is undoubtedly some clause about conduct unbecoming an owner. But that rings hollow and doesn't address the real issue. How in the heck can an organization like the NBA have a racist owner? This is the first any of those owners have heard of it? Never had a clue?
This post was edited on 4/27/14 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:57 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Does not mean that they shouldn't take DS to task for his comments that were made public.
but again, this is probably teh least racist of his high profile racist behavior
plus as more comes out about his girlfriend/mistress (who is part black), the more it is clear that this is a setup. if any group of males should understand a gold-digging chick setting up blackmail, it's NBA athletes
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:57 pm to ehidal1
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Maybe they should boycott and refuse their paychecks from the racist fricker
And hurt themselves in the process? It takes an incredible amount of work to get to a position to contend for an NBA title. Boycott in the playoffs? Who really wins in that scenario? Sterling would take a hit, but he would recover financially. But some of these players might not ever get another chance to compete for a title. Not fair that some are suggesting that they should self-immolate for their dumbfrick owner opening his mouth.
Posted on 4/27/14 at 6:59 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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The reasons to sign with the Clips outweighed the negatives. This isn't a zero-sum argument. Again, no player or coach hoping to make a long career out of or chasing a title in a league as competitive as the NBA allows the druthers of an owner to be a deciding factor in where they sign.
agree also they would hardly be the first people ever to rationalize bad behavior, esepcially in the face of obscene amounts of money and success towards their goals.
To my knowledge it's not like before yesterday anyone on the Clippers had 1st hand knowledge of Sterlings racist behavior.
Are they perhaps guilty of sticking their heads in the sand? Probably but their choices were very limited as to what they could to do affect Sterling as opposed to the League and owners which had the same knowledge and much greater ability to bring about punishment/change.
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