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Yahoo - The Jordan-LeBron Teammate Club: What's it like to play with the GOATs?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:41 pm
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It is, in many ways, the quintessential hoophead trivia question: Can you name the four former NBA players who shared locker rooms with both Michael Jordan and LeBron James?
Scott Williams can. In fact, he’s used the stumper on several occasions to coax a free beer out of a friend. But he’s in the minority. An overwhelming minority. Because he’s a member of the club.
It’s an exclusive club that spans almost 25 years of basketball. The two players widely considered the greatest in NBA history did not overlap and never shared a court. They only dueled hypothetically via interviews or in video games. Two months after Jordan said goodbye to the league he conquered, James strode across a Madison Square Garden stage to formally begin his ascent.
So who’s the GOAT?
All three acknowledge the difficulty of quantitative comparison. (And Stackhouse surely would too; he was unavailable for an interview while preparing for the season.) But all three have an opinion. The same opinion. The greatest of all time?
“Right now,” says Haywood, “it’s MJ.”
“When you’re talking about greatness,” he continues, “MJ is the best combination of stats, winning, and championship moments. Certain things go beyond statistics.”
Hughes and Williams decry the occasional reduction of the debate to statistics as well. LeBron’s numbers, Hughes concedes, will “blow people out of the water. … But it’s good to understand when you play with those guys, at that point in time, what was the vibe?”
Says Williams: “I’ve never been a stats guy. Don’t start talking stats with me. That’s for all the sabermetric knuckleheads.”
Williams sides with Jordan “because of the killer instinct that he had.” Because of the “it” factor. And Hughes completes the trifecta.
“It’s MJ,” he says. “It’s real easy for me. Bron is great, and whenever I talk to people, I say, MJ is the Jumpman. Then we got Bron right there holding onto the shoe. He’s right in the ballpark. But MJ is the guy.”
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
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“I’ve never been a stats guy. Don’t start talking stats with me. That’s for all the sabermetric knuckleheads.”
quote:Perfect fit for this board
Williams sides with Jordan “because of the killer instinct that he had.” Because of the “it” factor. And Hughes completes the trifecta.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:49 pm to lsupride87
Exactly
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
This is not going to go well.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:50 pm to RLDSC FAN
In to say I was in! 
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:54 pm to SpartyGator
I mean there is no real reason for an argument
“Don’t talk to me about flavors and all that technical ingredient shite. Mac and cheese is the best food because it brings the passion and has that magic”
Well what the frick can you say back to that?
“Don’t talk to me about flavors and all that technical ingredient shite. Mac and cheese is the best food because it brings the passion and has that magic”
Well what the frick can you say back to that?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:56 pm to RLDSC FAN
I must admit that MJ had an "it" factor that was unmatched. Everyone just felt they were watching the best to ever play. There was no definitive legend he was competing with for the top spot. People watched Jordan play, and said, "We've never seen someone play the game this well."
But I think the exact same thing would have been said of LeBron if he had come before MJ.
But I think the exact same thing would have been said of LeBron if he had come before MJ.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
It seems like Scott Williams is the only one who can provide real insight into comparing the two players since he was the only person to play with prime Jordan and pre-prime but still exceptional LeBron who was averaging 27-7-7. The other three players played with a 40+ year old flabby and sick Wizards Jordan. Not really an apples to apples comparison.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:11 pm to Bench McElroy
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It seems like Scott Williams is the only one who can provide real insight into comparing the two players since he was the only person to play with prime Jordan and pre-prime but still exceptional LeBron who was averaging 27-7-7.
Yes and no. The other two probably grew up with prime MJ. Seeing a dominant player when you're a young fan is a big deal.
Larry Hughes probably grew up on MJ. It's not like he's necessarily any different from the guys on this board in that way.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:14 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Williams sides with Jordan “because of the killer instinct that he had.” Because of the “it” factor.
Jordan was driven to win championships. This is what has always separated the two. I would also add that Kobe had this same drive to win, but Kobe's drive seemed to be more of a selfish motive than the actual goal of winning the title. Both Jordan and Kobe would out-compete you. They just refused to lose. But Jordan was able to include his teammates more than Kobe and thus able to win more consistently and win more titles.
Lebron just doesn't seem to have that same competitive drive. He wants to win so people will talk good about him. He knows that win or lose, he's going home to his multi-million dollar home, his celebrity parties, and his democrat fundraisers, so he's fine with the result.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:15 pm to SwaggerCopter
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the exact same thing would have been said of LeBron if he had come before MJ.
Bill Russell
LeBron doesn't seem to get as wrought up as either Russell or Jordan.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:24 pm to lsupride87
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“I’ve never been a stats guy. Don’t start talking stats with me. That’s for all the sabermetric knuckleheads.”
If you take out most of the measurable facts, MJ is clearly better.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:26 pm to Choupique19
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Jordan was driven to win championships. This is what has always separated the two. I would also add that Kobe had this same drive to win, but Kobe's drive seemed to be more of a selfish motive than the actual goal of winning the title. Both Jordan and Kobe would out-compete you. They just refused to lose. But Jordan was able to include his teammates more than Kobe and thus able to win more consistently and win more titles.
Lebron just doesn't seem to have that same competitive drive. He wants to win so people will talk good about him. He knows that win or lose, he's going home to his multi-million dollar home, his celebrity parties, and his democrat fundraisers, so he's fine with the result.
This is a textbook example of retrofitting a narrative to make sense of how things played out. Do people realize how silly they sound speculating about all these character traits of people they've never met?
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:27 pm to lsupride87
It’s pretty ironic that a bunch of retards on an internet message board believe their own opinions over the people who have actually played with both guys
Quite mindblowing actually....
Quite mindblowing actually....
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:28 pm to DallasTiger45
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This is a textbook example of retrofitting a narrative to make sense of how things played out. Do people realize how silly they sound speculating about all these character traits of people they've never met?
All it is is people mapping what they want to believe about a player onto the results.
"MJ's drive to win was greater than anyone else's ever."
"How do you know this??"
"Because he won so much."
Ridiculous, and ignoring every other factor that contributed to their careers.
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:29 pm to DallasTiger45
Lebron came back from 3-1 down in the finals to a 73 win team. He also has been lights out in two game 7 nba finals. He also has kept his body in a leak physical shape we haven’t ever really seen in the nba before for this amount of time
Saying he doesn’t have a great drive and will to win is just laughable. It’s at an all time level as well.
Saying he doesn’t have a great drive and will to win is just laughable. It’s at an all time level as well.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:32 pm to Choupique19
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Jordan was driven to win championships. This is what has always separated the two. I would also add that Kobe had this same drive to win, but Kobe's drive seemed to be more of a selfish motive than the actual goal of winning the title. Both Jordan and Kobe would out-compete you. They just refused to lose. But Jordan was able to include his teammates more than Kobe and thus able to win more consistently and win more titles.
Lebron just doesn't seem to have that same competitive drive. He wants to win so people will talk good about him. He knows that win or lose, he's going home to his multi-million dollar home, his celebrity parties, and his democrat fundraisers, so he's fine with the result.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:35 pm to Choupique19
Imagine having the "drive" of Kobe and still being inferior to the guy that "doesn't seem to have that same competitive drive."
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