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re: With the BCS, every game is a playoff??????
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:''exactly, that's whats good about the BCS voters and computers can take that into account, that's why 2 loss LSU made the BCS CG and unbeaten Hawaii did not.
Nah. Since unlike the NFL, colleges schedule their own out of conference games, being undefeated can be misleading.
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Playoff would determine which team is bette
not necessarily, how would you determine who makes the playoff and how many teams? Boise could beat Auburn or Oregon in 1 game.
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Going by record alone is a poor indicator of strength.
so how would you determine who makes the playoff? How many teams would be in the playoff? You have to have a cutoff somewhere, what criteria are you going to use? I agree overall record in college is not enough, that's why you have computers that can measure objective criteria.
This post was edited on 11/24/10 at 8:49 pm
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Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Nah. Since unlike the NFL, colleges schedule their own out of conference games, being undefeated can be misleading.
''exactly, that's whats good about the BCS voters and computers can take that into account, that's why 2 loss LSU made the BCS CG and unbeaten Hawaii did not.
Then you honestly believe Boise and TCU are better than Bama, LSU, Stanford et al....
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Playoff would determine which team is bette
not necessarily, how would you determine who makes the playoff and how many teams? Boise could beat Auburn or Oregon in 1 game.
But not two or three. 8 team playoff would be about right. Every FBS conference would have to be represented.
How many teams would be in the playoff? You have to have a cutoff somewhere, what criteria are you going to use? I agree overall record in college is not enough, that's why you have computers that can measure objective criteria.
You can still have computers, you can still have bowl games. Have a seeding system instead of guaranteed berths. There are many ways ....and they have been discussed ad nauseum ..but the present system is a poor method of determining the national champion.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Every other division subdivision in college football use a playoff
and 50 people watch. Playoff proponents seem to be the ones who use the tradition of playoffs as their excuse. Why would adding more teams make CFB better? Top 2 now. You guys want to expand to 8 or even 16.
This post was edited on 11/24/10 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 11/24/10 at 9:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But not two or three. 8 team playoff would be about right. Every FBS conference would have to be represented.
Well, there are 11 FBS conferences, so 8 won't work.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 9:37 pm to The Easter Bunny
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Well, there are 11 FBS conferences, so 8 won't work
There would be realignment. Some of these teams would drop to FCS. There are plenty of ideas on how to do a playoff, the blueprint is already there.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 11:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
16 Teams.
11 conference champs.
5 at large bids.
4 weeks of great football!!
11 conference champs.
5 at large bids.
4 weeks of great football!!
Posted on 11/25/10 at 12:40 am to SaltyTiger53
+1 is the most realistic scenario IMO, dont think we'll see an actual playoff bracket for a while.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 12:45 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
Can you imagine the waste of time that would be the SEC champion vs The Sunbelt winner?
Then the next week it would be the winner of the Big East vs the MAC vs the SEC winner.
Sweet games, great way to injure people, drags on the season with boring blowouts. These MAC winners dont deserve to be in the BCS, neither do these Sunbelt winners.
Relegation would be the most fair way to do this, but will never happen due to all the other sports involved, all the money sharing issues, etc.
Then the next week it would be the winner of the Big East vs the MAC vs the SEC winner.
Sweet games, great way to injure people, drags on the season with boring blowouts. These MAC winners dont deserve to be in the BCS, neither do these Sunbelt winners.
Relegation would be the most fair way to do this, but will never happen due to all the other sports involved, all the money sharing issues, etc.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 8:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Then you honestly believe Boise and TCU are better than Bama, LSU, Stanford et al....
No
What, just because a team wins 1 game DOES NOT MEAN that team is better,]. I use all caps cause you seem to have missed that part before. Anything can happen in 1 game. Just because you give that game a special name and play it at the end doesn't change that 2007 Arkansas beat LSU, they were not better than I explained that in another post as well). Ole Miss beat Florida in 2008, they were not better. Stanford beat USC in 07, USC was better. I hope that is enough examples for you. I could use other sports as well, but you don't like that.
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But not two or three. 8 team playoff would be about right. Every FBS conference would have to be represented.
There are 11 FBS conference, you would have to do 16 to represent all. The only really way to do that is to have the winners of those conferences get auto bid.
With 8 it more than likely be the 6 BCS conferences and 2 at large, frick that. Its bad enough a team like WVU or Pitt get a BCS bowl, let alone a shot at the NC.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 8:42 am to SaltyTiger53
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16 Teams.
11 conference champs.
5 at large bids.
4 weeks of great football
Yeah, 5-5 Florida Atlantic vs Oregon would be AWSOME!
Posted on 11/25/10 at 8:49 am to H-Town Tiger
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There are 11 FBS conference, you would have to do 16 to represent all. The only really way to do that is to have the winners of those conferences get auto bid.
You could have 12 teams. The top four are rewarded with a bye. 5-8 are rewarded with a first round home game. All the teams that didn't win their conference are competing for the one at large spot (or two or three, if some conferences don't qualify for a playoff berth).
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Yeah, 5-5 Florida Atlantic vs Oregon would be AWSOME!
You can always include a minimum standard or you don't get a playoff berth. Like requiring a team to have at least 9 wins...that way you don't get a four-loss Pitt team or a 5-loss Sunbelt champ lousing up the playoffs.
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Just because you give that game a special name and play it at the end doesn't change that 2007 Arkansas beat LSU, they were not better than I explained that in another post as well). Ole Miss beat Florida in 2008, they were not better. Stanford beat USC in 07, USC was better. I hope that is enough examples for you.
By that logic the national championship game is a sham. LSU wasn't better than Oklahoma or Ohio State. They just beat those tams in one game. Texas wasn't better than Southern Cal just because they beat them in one game. The gumps weren't better than the sips. I could go on...
Posted on 11/25/10 at 8:58 am to Bestbank Tiger
what about 16 with 6 conference champions and 10 at large?
Posted on 11/25/10 at 8:58 am to lsumatt
Which cupcake games did Boise and TCU schedule? Keep in mind that teams don't make their conference schedules, so out of their OOC games, which are cupcakes?
Posted on 11/25/10 at 9:00 am to KosmoCramer
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Can you imagine the waste of time that would be the SEC champion vs The Sunbelt winner? Then the next week it would be the winner of the Big East vs the MAC vs the SEC winner.
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Relegation would be the most fair way to do this, but will never happen due to all the other sports involved, all the money sharing issues, etc.
How about this playoff system?
First round: The weaker conferences play (MAC-CUSA, WAC-Sunbelt, Big East-Mountain West).
In the second round, the ACC plays one winner and the other two winners play each other.
In the third round, the two remaining teams from that group play head to head.
Fourth round: The third round winner plays the Big XII champ in the Fiesta and the Rose Bowl gets its precious Big Ten-PAC 10 tradition.
The Rose Bowl winner plays the Fiesta Bowl winner in the fifth round.
The winner of that game plays the SEC champ for the crystal
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Relegation could work. It makes sense in the long run to use different conferences for football and MBB and regional groupings for non-revenue sports. Why are we paying to send golf and tennis teams to places like Lexington? It makes more sense for the non-revenue teams to play against Tech, Tulane, ULM, USM, Ole Miss, etc.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 9:03 am to chalmetteowl
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what about 16 with 6 conference champions and 10 at large?
Could work too, but 16 is too many. No #16 team has had an argument. #12 doesn't have much of a case either but that's the minimum required to make sure no undefeated team gets left out.
Plus with 12 you have the largest number of meaningful games late in the season...if you already won your conference you're trying to preserve a first round bye. If you're out of the conference race like we are, you're trying to grab the wild card spot (or spots, the Sunbelt and Big Least would lose their bids this year under my system.) If you're the champ of a lousy conference you're trying to get playoff eligible. If you're Notre Dame you need to join a conference or shut the hell up.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 9:24 am to Bestbank Tiger
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You could have 12 teams. The top four are rewarded with a bye. 5-8 are rewarded with a first round home game. All the teams that didn't win their conference are competing for the one at large spot (or two or three, if some conferences don't qualify for a playoff berth)
frick that. You'd give Florida Atlantic and N Ill a shot at the NC over all but 1 of the following: LSU, at least 1, maybe 2 Big 10 teams and Stanford. The champ should be the best team. Those teams are way better than all but maybe 2 or 3 conference champs.
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By that logic the national championship game is a sham. LSU wasn't better than Oklahoma or Ohio State. They just beat those tams in one game. Texas wasn't better than Southern Cal just because they beat them in one game. The gumps weren't better than the sips. I could go on.
So then by your logic Arkansas was better than LSU then?
In the cases you mention the teams were evenly matched any differences are marginal. Winning 1 game doesn't "prove" Alabama was "better" than Texas, but its the best way to break a tie. My concern is not 2 teams with the same or similar records (12-0 v 12-0 pr 12-0 v 11-1) So Bama beating Florida in the SEC last year is fine, you need a way to break the tie and head to head is the beat. But LSU beating Tenn in 2001 is what's wrong with playoffs. We only get in to the SEC CG because we won the West, which was crap compared to the East than year. Then beat a team that already beat us and had a better record to win the Championship.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 9:44 am to SaltyTiger53
one of the biggest follies of the BCS is that it gives too much weight to subjectivity.
this is the only sport where coaches campaign annually for a chance to win it all.
ESPN has run away with this and is creating bias and influencing the outcome of the season.
I really think they are intentionally shoving the weaklings to the front, knowing that a Boise/TCU BCSNCG could cause the BCS to be scrapped, radically revamped, or a playoff created.
In the long run this would be a ratings juggernaut for them.
this is the only sport where coaches campaign annually for a chance to win it all.
ESPN has run away with this and is creating bias and influencing the outcome of the season.
I really think they are intentionally shoving the weaklings to the front, knowing that a Boise/TCU BCSNCG could cause the BCS to be scrapped, radically revamped, or a playoff created.
In the long run this would be a ratings juggernaut for them.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:10 am to H-Town Tiger
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So then by your logic Arkansas was better than LSU then?
No...you're the one who said one game doesn't prove anything.
If that's the case then why do we have one game for the crystal?
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:16 am to Bestbank Tiger
If there were a playoff system, tomorrow's LSU/Arky game would have meaning. In the current system, it has absolutely no relevance. Neither can win the conference and regardless of what happens in other games, neither can consider playing for a NC. However, in a playoff environment, the winner could be talking about an at-large berth--possibly with a chance of increasing school revenue with a first round home game.
Posted on 11/25/10 at 10:20 am to Sophandros
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If there were a playoff system, tomorrow's LSU/Arky game would have meaning
that depends, namely on what this playoff system would be. people arguing for playoffs need to agree on a system before they tout its greatness
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Neither can win the conference and regardless of what happens in other games, neither can consider playing for a NC.
which made each team's respective game against Auburn that fricking awesome
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possibly with a chance of increasing school revenue with a first round home game.
i seriously doubt this ever happens, and i will continue to argue that until i die
2-3 more home games a year for certain teams will create an even more stratified system
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