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re: Why wouldn't a pitching staff of 9 closers not work?

Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:45 am to
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:45 am to
Good Lord you want people to make 162 appearances?
Posted by FeechLaManna
Member since Oct 2012
118 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:44 am to
I used this strategy on RBI baseball back in the
day, not practical, but I'd love to see somebody
try it
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34684 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:59 am to
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Four of the five games of your rotation are those guys. The fifth pitcher is always open. For that spot, most of your remaining staff are open and you basically pitch Johnny Wholestaff. Here, you might occasionally see 9 pitchers in 8 innings, or you may just go with the hot hand. But the poibt is that the opposition can't prepare for who is out there.



To ask a starting pitcher to pitch in more than one game over a period of five days on a regular basis would be playing with fire. You would need to have a 13 man pitching staff with eight full-time relievers. It's foolish for a MLB team to carry more than 12 pitchers on their 25-man roster for a lengthy period of time. That would really hamper the flexibility of a roster. Pinch-hitting for any hitter that isn't a pitcher would be a rarity. Managers also wouldn't be able to make proper defensive substitutions or use pinch-runners the way that they want to.
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24474 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 2:06 am to
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Buddy of mine and I tossed around a different idea: sign one top flight pitcher, an aging workhorse kind of guy, a knuckleballer, and maybe a guy who only throws junk.

Four of the five games of your rotation are those guys. The fifth pitcher is always open. For that spot, most of your remaining staff are open and you basically pitch Johnny Wholestaff. Here, you might occasionally see 9 pitchers in 8 innings, or you may just go with the hot hand. But the poibt is that the opposition can't prepare for who is out there.


my goodness this is a thread of terrible thoughts
Posted by LSUSoulja08
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 2:09 am to
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LfcSU3520


Posted by TyOconner
NOLA
Member since Nov 2009
11375 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 2:10 am to
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This would not work because the ninth inning only happens once per game


I think you think something different than what it means, I think.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
177660 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 2:11 am to
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my goodness this is a thread of terrible thoughts

Yeah well you're biased because it would put you out of a job.
Posted by UltimateHog
Thailand
Member since Dec 2011
69716 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 2:35 am to
Well you can't just have 9 pitchers on your roster anyways, so it would have to be more like 13-15 closers, which you could give other a day off inbetween.

Be weird, but could work.
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 2:46 am to
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 5:26 am to
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Well you can't just have 9 pitchers on your roster anyways, so it would have to be more like 13-15 closers, which you could give other a day off inbetween. Be weird, but could work.


it would not work. having 15 pitchers on your roster is a terrible idea and would mean only 10 position players. also, the number of innings and consecutive pitchers days simply would not work. other reasons? do you honestly think there are 450 closers available in MLB? there are tons of relevant differences between closers and starters. starters have more pitches and have a completely different mental approach.
Posted by T Dru
P-Ville
Member since Nov 2010
121 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 5:54 am to
I agree with most everybody in this thread...the closer thing wouldn't work (for all the reasons already listed).

But if we're throwing crazy ideas out there, what about this one....

Carry 10 Starters and 3 relievers. Have the starters throw on a buddy system. 4-5 innings apiece every start. The two starters either combine to finish the game, or need a reliever to get the last inning.


Arms stay fresh over the year and they'd rarely (if ever) have to go through a lineup 3 times in one outing.

Thoughts?
Posted by acgeaux129
We are BR
Member since Sep 2007
15011 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 6:08 am to
go easy on him, his brain is all fricked up from some head injury as well as PEDs
Posted by emoney
Westerville, OH
Member since May 2010
8751 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 6:13 am to
I'm with you. Have at least 6, max 10 starters that rotate constantly.
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 6:14 am
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
72181 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 6:20 am to
I fully support this. I think teams should be mandated to do it.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 6:40 am to
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Pitch an inning-maybe two-every day

quote:

Arms all stay fresh
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No tiring





Not to mention, what do you do in extra innings?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112939 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 6:40 am to
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Buddy of mine and I tossed around a different idea: sign one top flight pitcher, an aging workhorse kind of guy, a knuckleballer, and maybe a guy who only throws junk.

Four of the five games of your rotation are those guys. The fifth pitcher is always open. For that spot, most of your remaining staff are open and you basically pitch Johnny Wholestaff. Here, you might occasionally see 9 pitchers in 8 innings, or you may just go with the hot hand. But the poibt is that the opposition can't prepare for who is out there.
Who are you, and what have you done with the poster Sophandros?
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
34684 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 8:55 am to
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Carry 10 Starters and 3 relievers. Have the starters throw on a buddy system. 4-5 innings apiece every start. The two starters either combine to finish the game, or need a reliever to get the last inning.


If I'm not mistaken, the Astros have started doing that in the minor leagues this year. It could work but you would need to have a really deep pitching staff with 10+ pitchers who are capable of being competent starters.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:00 am to
If every team did this, you'd need 270 closers. Even without the arm trouble.

Plus, there are only about 5-10 true shutdown closers, and then you get to the Carlos Marmols of the world. And then you would have to find 200 other guys.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
49645 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:01 am to
I don't think the idea would work for the injury risk, but I love the non-conformist thinking. I hate that so much of baseball knowledge is stuff we just "know" when it's really "well, we've always done it this way so there."

I think bad teams, like the Astros, should genuinely try radical ideas like this. Maybe not this specific idea, but they should spend their offseasons sitting around a boardroom saying "what can we try that no one is doing? Will that help us win?"

I think a team should go to a four-man rotation, shrink their pen to about 5 guys, and carry 15-16 hitters. Reverse the platoon on people, as most teams try and control the platoon split via their pitching staff. If you're the only team looking for platoon hitters, you should be able to clean up on them. Besides, most one-out only guys are pretty terrible pitchers.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
46425 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:01 am to
In the early 70s, knuckleballer Wilbur Wood often started every TWO days for the White Sox. I believe he went 24-20 one year.
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