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re: Why wouldn't a pitching staff of 9 closers not work?

Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:09 am to
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 9:09 am to
What about rotating your middle infielders based on each hitters tendencies? Similar to a shift, but slightly different.

Also, I think shifts are under used.

I like the idea of defined roles for bullpen guys. Closer, 8th inning guy. 7th inning guy. Long relief guy. I think guys pitch better with a known role/goal. I haven't run any numbers to support this idea, but would be interested in reading some numbers on this concept.

Also, OP, fix the double negative in your title. It is driving me crazy.
Posted by The White Lobster
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 11:42 am to
It bugs me that most teams keep their infielders in the same order when they do the heavy shift. It would make more sense to keep the shortstop as the only guy on the left side of the infield instead of the third baseman.

The logical thing to do is to get 25 guys who can hit and pitch at the Major League level IMO FWIW. 25 Micah Owings
This post was edited on 4/11/13 at 11:43 am
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
157973 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:25 pm to
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Are you kidding me? Are you really suggesting that a pitcher should pitch one inning for 162 straight games? Their arms would be shredded by the second week of the season.


quote:

[Mike]Marshall, who relied primarily on an elusive screwball, led his league in games pitched four times, saves three times, and games finished five times. He is the holder of two major league records, both of which he set in the 1974 season: most appearances (games pitched) in a season (106), and most consecutive team games with a relief appearance (13). In his record-setting 1974 season, he pitched 208.3 innings, all of which came in relief appearances.

Marshall attended Michigan State University, earning three degrees, including a Ph.D. in kinesiology. In the months preceding his 1974 Cy Young season, Marshall considered retiring in order to work on his Ph.D.[2]

Marshall teaches and advocates a pitching method he developed that he "believes could completely eradicate pitching-arm injuries."[3]

Marshall wants pitchers to have a smooth transition. To pitch the arm has to externally rotate (hand lays back) before the ball accelerates. With traditional pitchers the thrower often lifts his elbow before his hand (also called scapula loading); this leads to the ball coming up late and the arm to externally rotate late. The elbow will be accelerated forward while the hand still goes backward, which creates enormous stress on the arm.

Marshall instead wants pitchers to externally rotate early as they swing their arm up. That means the will lift the hand before the elbow, so that the wrist faces away from the body and up, the hand is above the elbow when the front foot touches the ground, which leads to a smooth transition without a "forearm bounce," as Marshall calls it (Marshall believes this causes UCL injuries, which require Tommy John surgery). He wants to first lay back the forearm and then accelerate by using the body, instead of accelerating before the hand is laid back.

Marshall also believes in using the rotation of the trunk instead of bending over at the waist and in pronation of the arm, which, according to him, protects the elbow.
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:31 pm to
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Not to mention extra innings


and not to mention one of them would probalby have to be carlos marmol just based on how you could afford to spend...so you'd lose a lot.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 12:54 pm to
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To ask a starting pitcher to pitch in more than one game over a period of five days on a regular basis would be playing with fire.


Good thing I didn't propose that.

quote:

You would need to have a 13 man pitching staff with eight full-time relievers.


No, you wouldn't. How many teams have five quality starters as it is? The fifth starter for a lot of teams changes as the season goes on. My idea just opens it up more.
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:00 pm to
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I think a team should go to a four-man rotation, shrink their pen to about 5 guys, and carry 15-16 hitters.


My idea is still a five man rotation, where the fifth "man" can vary.

For some reason, people think that's a terrible idea.

Granted, I just had two cross country flights this week, including a red eye this morning...
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