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re: Why won't Colt McCoy be successful in the NFL?
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:15 pm to OWLFAN86
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:15 pm to OWLFAN86
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fact is no one can tell with McCoy,,Hes football smart and very coachable. Has a better than average arm and can run a little
Exactly.
All of this nonsense by douches like McShay and Kiper is just that: nonsense. Then again, the people who take what they say as gospel also think that the recruiting services are can't miss...
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Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:21 pm to adammwilson
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Because the WORST defenses in the NFL put more pressure than Nebraska did and he looked like a scared puppy in that game. IF he has success in the NFL it will be several years down the line and very short lived. He is too predictable.
in the NFL he would have an o-line that blocks
Still, the pressure is there and he will have to get used to staying in the pocket a lot longer than he did vs Neb. He was ready to scramble as soon as he smelled pressure.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:22 pm to OWLFAN86
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Has a better than average arm and can run a little.
Saying he has an average NFL arm is at the upper end of his arm strength evaluation.
Anyway, he could very well be successful, but when a guy does have an amazing arm, doesn't play in a NFL set, plays on a team more talent than every team faces. His stock is going to suffer. That doesn't mean he won't be successful, but it means he'll get drafted lower.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:25 pm to Boudreaux35
Mccoy will be fine in the NFL senior bowl week will tell scouts alot
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:25 pm to LSUtigahs28
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That doesn't mean he won't be successful, but it means he'll get drafted lower.
This thread is about success in the NFL, though, not draft stock.
There is absolutely no reason why McCoy can't be successful.
Average arm? Yeah there have been lots of successful NFL QBs with average arms. There have been lots of failures with strong arms. This doesn't mean shite.
Size? He's big enough.
Didn't take snaps from under center? Now you are describing half the QBs who come out these days.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:28 pm to TxTiger82
my guess= 3rd-4th rd pick jeff garcia type player and my best guess is he goes to the 49ers
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:33 pm to TxTiger82
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TxTiger82
Exactly. These knuckleheads here just like tossing out cliche' responses and parroting the "scouts" who they read instead of thinking on their own. They want to look clever, when in fact, they really aren't saying anything of notice. Everyone wants to be able to say "I told you so," and much like the Suh bandwagon, people seem keen to jump on the McCoy bashing bandwagon.
I say that we should just wait and see what whether or not he's the Real McCoy...
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:35 pm to Sophandros
i think mccoy will be great hell he has won more games than any other qb not too mention his pass comp percentage is amazing
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:37 pm to adammwilson
But didn't you hear?
It's only because he throws all his passes under 5 yards.
It's only because he throws all his passes under 5 yards.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 1:38 pm to wilceaux
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But didn't you hear?
It's only because he throws all his passes under 5 yards.
haha yeat his avg. is 8.8, 7.8, 8.9, 7.5
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:37 pm to Sophandros
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I say that we should just wait and see what whether or not he's the Real McCoy...
Pretty much have no choice otherwise right? Or is there an options to just decide right now whether he will or will not be successful?
Way to go out on a limb there! Bet you're a ton of fun at the horse races!
Sophandros' Friend: Who ya think's going to win this race?
Sophandros: Don't know. I'll make my call after the race.
WOW!
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:42 pm to Boudreaux35
the good thing is we get to find out how good he will be at the next level. thats why i love football.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:53 pm to Boudreaux35
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Way to go out on a limb there! Bet you're a ton of fun at the horse races!
Sophandros' Friend: Who ya think's going to win this race?
Sophandros: Don't know. I'll make my call after the race.
Horrible analogy, because success or failure for an athlete, particularly a quarterback, concerns MUCH, MUCH more than just measurables. You can put a guy with solid measurables into a system that doesn't fit his talents, or with a coaching staff that is below par, with no OL, etc, and he'll look horrible. Get a guy in the right situation, etc, and he'll pan out well.
You don't get that with a horse race.
Now, if the question were, "How will Colt McCoy do with [INSERT TEAM NAME HERE] as they are currently constructed?" you might get a response from me. But a vague, general question like, "How will he do in the NFL?" doesn't work.
Regardless, most of the comments here, both for and against McCoy, are pretty useless when looking at how he'll do in the NFL. One thing that I CAN say, is this: number of starts, completion percentage, and improvement of completion percentage year over year in college have a fairly strong correlation to success in the NFL. The fact that he was a four year starter bodes well for him. His strong completion percentage bodes well. But that correlation is not gospel; it's just another statistical tool. At the end of the day, it really depends on who drafts him and what's expected from him within his first couple of years in that team's system.
There, are you entertained?
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:58 pm to Sophandros
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Horrible analogy, because success or failure for an athlete, particularly a quarterback, concerns MUCH, MUCH more than just measurables. You can put a guy with solid measurables into a system that doesn't fit his talents, or with a coaching staff that is below par, with no OL, etc, and he'll look horrible. Get a guy in the right situation, etc, and he'll pan out well.
You don't get that with a horse race.
Now, if the question were, "How will Colt McCoy do with [INSERT TEAM NAME HERE] as they are currently constructed?" you might get a response from me. But a vague, general question like, "How will he do in the NFL?" doesn't work.
Regardless, most of the comments here, both for and against McCoy, are pretty useless when looking at how he'll do in the NFL. One thing that I CAN say, is this: number of starts, completion percentage, and improvement of completion percentage year over year in college have a fairly strong correlation to success in the NFL. The fact that he was a four year starter bodes well for him. His strong completion percentage bodes well. But that correlation is not gospel; it's just another statistical tool. At the end of the day, it really depends on who drafts him and what's expected from him within his first couple of years in that team's system.
There, are you entertained?
Good Answer. You get an A+ on your essay.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 2:59 pm to Sophandros
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it's just another statistical tool. At the end of the day, it really depends on who drafts him and what's expected from him within his first couple of years in that team's system.
agreed but stats and measurables mean something
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:00 pm to displacedhorn
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the good thing is we get to find out how good he will be at the next level. thats why i love football
As opposed to other sports? Do we not get the same opportunity with basketball? Baseball?
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:01 pm to adammwilson
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agreed but stats and measurables mean something
Never said they didn't. They are just not the be-all, end-all either by themselves or when used in tandem.
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:04 pm to TxTiger82
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This thread is about success in the NFL, though, not draft stock.
I said, he very well could successful in the NFL draft. To be honest most NFL teams only have a slightly better evaluation of most QBs than your average guy on the street
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:07 pm to Sophandros
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Never said they didn't. They are just not the be-all, end-all either by themselves or when used in tandem.
agreed alot of it in my mind shuld be how they look against the best players at the sr. bowl, and how they throw at the combine
Posted on 12/22/09 at 3:38 pm to Sophandros
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how many big12 QBs have done shite the past 10 years?
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that really doesn't matter, either.
ehhh, it does sort of hold water.
playing against Big 12 Defenses in high octane offense have made a lot of QB's in that conference look like the 2nd coming. And like SFP, most haven't done shite. It's definitely a cause for concern.
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