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re: Why were all the pundits so critical of Tebow earlier in the season?
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:36 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:36 pm to AlaTiger
Because given where he was in the beginning, they all underestimated his ability and determination to do the work necessary to make the right improvements.
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Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:36 pm to Ford Frenzy
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So the Broncos are like every other team, win the turnover battle and you probably win the game.
LOL, It's amazing how people cannot see how lucky they were to win the games they have. For them, its not as simple as just "winning the turnover battle".
They have major problems moving the ball on offense, converting 3rd downs, and stopping QB's with a pulse while on defense.
They are not like every other team. What other team has won with a QB completing 40% of his passes? Or converting 26% on 3rd down? It has literally been a perfect storm for them in regards to facing shitty QBs and making a play at an opportune time. Sometimes its better to be lucky than good, and they have been awfully lucky.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:46 pm to Lester Earl
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They have major problems moving the ball on offense, converting 3rd downs
They didn't have any problems doing that today. They just fumbled on consecutive drives in the 2nd quarter.
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and stopping QB's with a pulse while on defense.
Have you watched any NFL football since 2001? How many teams have stopped Tom Brady?
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It has literally been a perfect storm for them in regards to facing shitty QBs and making a play at an opportune time. Sometimes its better to be lucky than good, and they have been awfully lucky.
While they have caught their fair share of breaks, you still have to capitalize. How many teams get a fortunate break, but then can't punch the ball in the endzone, or they can't pick up the first down to get into field goal range? It happens all the time, it's just that the Broncos have been very good at converting after those fortunate breaks.
You've rolled off a list of about 6 bad quarterbacks that the Broncos have beaten. That's great, cause after week 5 the Broncos were one of the worst teams in the NFL, and the "expert analyst" were telling everyone how Tim Tebow is the worst quarterback to ever take a snap in the NFL. So at least Tebow has proven to be better than 7 current NFL quarterbacks.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:47 pm to Lester Earl
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What other team has won with a QB completing 40% of his passes?
I think Tebow is completing 48% of his passes for the year, which if I'm not mistaken is the worst among starting QBs
Gabbert is barely better with a 50% completion rate, and IMO his chicken shite attitude and lack of running ability make him a worse QB
But as any reasonable person would agree, the question isn't whether Tebow is the worst Qb in the NFL (IMO he is not), it is whether he is a legitimate starter who will work for the Broncos if they ever want to do anything in the playoffs
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:49 pm to Choupique19
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So at least Tebow has proven to be better than 7 current NFL quarterbacks.
I think a lot of people would think that Tebow is around 25th right now. Of course, Manning, Schaub, and Cutler are all out.
But seriously, he is not very good. He has very limited upside as a passer. His mechanics are super slow and terrible. His accuracy is awful at best. His only strength is his mobility and running ability.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:50 pm to molsusports
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But as any reasonable person would agree, the question isn't whether Tebow is the worst Qb in the NFL (IMO he is not),
Glad we can finally put all that nonsense behind us.
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it is whether he is a legitimate starter who will work for the Broncos if they ever want to do anything in the playoffs
Now that can be a valid debate.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:53 pm to molsusports
Reminds me of some wins he "lucked" into at UF too.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 9:58 pm to Choupique19
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They didn't have any problems doing that today. They just fumbled on consecutive drives in the 2nd quarter.
They didnt do shite after the 1st 3 drives. What the hell are you talking about?
NE has one of the worst defenses yardage wise in the NFL, and they couldnt move the ball at all once they fell behind. How is that not clear to see?
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Have you watched any NFL football since 2001? How many teams have stopped Tom Brady?
not many teams. This DEN defense was the main reason they are even in any games, because Tebow is inadequate. That is my point. The same thing happened when they played Matt Stafford and not some backup QB or some QB that rolled off the sofa.
When they play a good offensive team it exposes Tebow even more. Because their defense really isnt as good as led on.
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That's great, cause after week 5 the Broncos were one of the worst teams in the NFL, and the "expert analyst" were telling everyone how Tim Tebow is the worst quarterback to ever take a snap in the NFL. So at least Tebow has proven to be better than 7 current NFL quarterbacks.
I am not arguing that. It is tough to win in the NFL. But i am not the one trying to make Tebow out to be something that he is not. He has been serviceable and has taken care of the ball. But if you actually watch the games, you'd know he is not very good. Outside of today his first 3.5 Q in every game have been putrid.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:10 pm to Lester Earl
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They didnt do shite after the 1st 3 drives. What the hell are you talking about?
NE has one of the worst defenses yardage wise in the NFL, and they couldnt move the ball at all once they fell behind. How is that not clear to see?
Yes I did watch. After the first 3 drives, Denver fumbled twice in a row before reaching 3rd down. They did have a 3 and out before half. That's 1. Next they touched the ball 1 time the entire 3rd quarter. They moved from their own 10 yard line about 30 yards out to the Denver 40 and then had to punt. Not a scoring drive, but not a 3 and out either. In the 4th quarter, when trailing by 18 points, the Broncos got their 2nd drive of the 2nd half. They marched down the field and scored a touchdown. Once again, the Pats scored, so the Broncos were forced to play hurry up and they were stopped on 4th down after moving into the Patriots territory.
In summary, offense was not the problem today for the Broncos.
I don't care what you say. The Broncos sucked and were 1-4. Tim Tebow entered the lineup and now they are standing at 8-6 and in prime position to win the division. Not too shabby for the guy that was supposed to be the worst NFL quarterback ever.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:15 pm to Choupique19
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I don't care what you say. The Broncos sucked and were 1-4. Tim Tebow entered the lineup and now they are standing at 8-6 and in prime position to win the division. Not too shabby for the guy that was supposed to be the worst NFL quarterback ever.
They played a fairly rough schedule in those first five. Yeah, Orton was awful in that stretch. They lost close games to quality (except for their bad loss to Green Bay).
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:18 pm to Choupique19
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The Broncos sucked and were 1-4.
I wouldn't say they sucked. Their 1 win was against the second best team they've beaten all year (Cincinnati) and 3 of the other 4 were very close. Green Bay would have blown out Broncos no matter who was at QB.
there's a very good chance that the Broncos would have the same record if Orton had stayed at QB.
This post was edited on 12/18/11 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:21 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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They played a fairly rough schedule in those first five.
Fair enough. But I just got entrenched into this Tebow drama when his own coaches and front office didn't have any confidence in him, but they were forced by the fans to put him into the games and then he produced. Maybe not with 300 yard passing games, but this team has found a style of football that they can win some games with, which they weren't doing with Orton (don't forget 2010). As bad as the Bronco offense has been at times with Tebow under center, Tebow still had to make a drive or two in each game to get the win, and he did it. He completed passes and scrambled for first downs/touchdowns. I think he's been perfect on two point conversions. Pretty entertaining scenario.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:28 pm to Choupique19
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the Broncos got their 2nd drive of the 2nd half. They marched down the field and scored a touchdown. Once again, the Pats scored, so the Broncos were forced to play hurry up and they were stopped on 4th down after moving into the Patriots territory.
They scored on their 3rd drive of the 2nd half. the game was already over.
The first 2 ended in punts. 31 total yards.
The last 2 ended on downs.
The offense sucked outside of the 1st Q.
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:29 pm to Lester Earl
I think it's hilarious people say "well after those first 3 drives, they couldn't do shite"
Same people that said "well until the 4th quarter he couldn't do shite"
What do y'all expect? A score on every drive? I don't think anyone here is claiming Tebow is even a good QB, people are just defending him against people that claim people claim that
Same people that said "well until the 4th quarter he couldn't do shite"
What do y'all expect? A score on every drive? I don't think anyone here is claiming Tebow is even a good QB, people are just defending him against people that claim people claim that
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:40 pm to Ford Frenzy
these tebow discussions are getting pretty tired
not really because there is nothing terribly interesting to talk about... but mostly because of the strawman arguments being used atm
Even Merril Hoge has backed off calling him teh worst thing he's ever seen and started singing his praises. That's not what is being reasonably discussed any more IMO
What is obviously still at issue is whether Timmay can become an adequate passer in teh NFL. But that's a lot less easy to answer so the people who love him seem to be stuck on distraction arguments instead of admitting they don't know because he hasn't done that yet
not really because there is nothing terribly interesting to talk about... but mostly because of the strawman arguments being used atm
Even Merril Hoge has backed off calling him teh worst thing he's ever seen and started singing his praises. That's not what is being reasonably discussed any more IMO
What is obviously still at issue is whether Timmay can become an adequate passer in teh NFL. But that's a lot less easy to answer so the people who love him seem to be stuck on distraction arguments instead of admitting they don't know because he hasn't done that yet
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:41 pm to Lester Earl
Oh and LOL at you saying their TD to cut the lead to 11 points with 8 minutes left plus 3 timeouts was a score when "the game was already over"
Posted on 12/18/11 at 10:48 pm to molsusports
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Even Merril Hoge has backed off calling him teh worst thing he's ever seen and started singing his praises.
And that's the problem. People are going from one extreme to the other, which is ridiculous.
Tebow is still a pretty bad passer, but I do see (admittedly with my homer eyes) signs of potential if he can continue to improve.
People were saying he wouldn't be able to run the same way in the NFL and that he would get hurt, but so far he's done pretty well running the ball and staying healthy.
His slower delivery doesn't seem to be leading to interceptions or strip fumbles like I and a lot of people had thought. And his arm strength seems to be adequate enough.
He needs to work greatly on improving accuracy and his footwork, but I would say there are a heck of a lot of passes (in his limited amount) that he just throws away and is not missing as badly as some people are claiming or at least not more so than any other young QB. And he is definitely making an effort to stay in the pocket an look past his first couple of reads instead of taking off immediately.
This post was edited on 12/18/11 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 12/19/11 at 1:01 am to Ford Frenzy
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I don't think anyone here is claiming Tebow is even a good QB
then why are you arguing with me?
And no, i don't expect a score on every drive. But they could barely move the ball. They were exposed for what they are. 1 dimensional offense that has been getting a bagful of lucky breaks that last 6 or 7 weeks coupled with playing shitty offenses.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 8:15 am to Lester Earl
quote:first 3 drives of second half...31 yards on first 2 then a TD
And no, i don't expect a score on every drive. But they could barely move the ball
first 3 drives of first half were all scores
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:08 am to molsusports
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12) flacco
13) vick
14) stafford
15) sanchez
According to the link at the bottom of the page here, Matt Moore looks like a top 15 qb yet i dont see him on your list??
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