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Gatorbait2008
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Member since Aug 2015
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re: Why is Venables not a HC?
Same reason Bud Foster and Mickey Andrew's didnt. Coaching rarely has strong job security. He has more job security than anyone not named Saban or Dabo.

Likely insanely less stressful job. Close to his family. Ties to the community. Makes perfect sense.


SoFla Tideroller
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Member since Apr 2010
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re: Why is Venables not a HC?
Another factor is once you become HC you don't get to do as much coaching, anymore. You're managing your coaches. Some guys just enjoy the day to day coaching and instructing of a position coach or coordinator.


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CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
44008 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
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Venables is better than Aranda. There is no debate. A retard could coach LSU to a top 25 defense. Hmmm.





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Elleshoe
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re: Why is Venables not a HC?
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Didn’t Aranda’s defense give up 74 points to A&M?


In 7 overtimes


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CU_Tigers4life
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Member since Aug 2013
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re: Why is Venables not a HC?
Venables recently made the comment that he's aware that the offers are going to stop coming one day if he doesn't take a gig.

He's in a situation where he can cherry-pick a little and look for a gig that is built to win. Lane Kiffen was making about half of what BV was making as a HC at FAU.

Here's my theory...

Since Oklahoma is not going to the playoffs I'm guessing that Lincoln Riley takes a pro-job like Dallas and the Sooners will come after Venables since he was a DC there before and is from the mid west.


Rawanduncut
Member since Sep 2019
262 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
I think he is very happy there. That means everything in the world.

It's just like a relationship. As you age and becomes more mature and wise you are not always looking around for the next best thing or thinking it's better on the other side.

It's helps to make a lot of money but I've learned happiness is not always about the money either. I've seen people take a new job with a new company and double their salary and find out within a few months that they hate their new job and realize that they made a mistake because they enjoyed the old job and was much happier even though they made less.


tigeroarz1
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Member since Oct 2013
1918 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
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I think he is very happy there. That means everything in the world. It's just like a relationship

He did an interview last year on ESPN I think. He said he’s sat back and watched great assistant coaches ruin their careers by taking HC jobs, or the wrong job for money. He also mentioned he stayed a long time at a previous job (OU?) that had a very toxic environment. Basically he’s a smart, grounded guy who’s happy where he is. If Dabo were to leave he’d be a great replacement. He actually does have a great friendly personality when off the field.
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632627
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re: Why is Venables not a HC?
IIRC Charlie McBride @ Nebraska was a lifelong DC.


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Jack Ruby
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Member since Apr 2014
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re: Why is Venables not a HC?
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Dabo won the lottery with Venables staying. 


That dumbass Big Game Bob essentially ran Venables off from Oklahoma so his dumbass, just-fired brother could be the DC. Oklahoma hasn't played defense in 10 years.

Thats not a coincidence. It's amazing how people forget how much Stoops totally fricked the OU program over nepotism.


Roscoe
Member since Sep 2007
2560 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
I’ve seen recent interviews where he has reiterated he wants to be a HC. He wanted his kids to get through HS and not pack up and move. As others said above, he wanted the “right job.” He also said in interview last year he knows his window is now closing. With both kids in college now, he will either finish at Clemson and leave in next 2-3 years when both graduate or he will go after this season.

If I was one of Clemson’s rivals on the recruiting trail, I would strongly consider hiring him. Maybe he works out as your HC. But at a minimum, you know Clemson’s program will finally start it’s decline. Especially after Dabo has to replace their OC after this year, who is also expected to take a HC job soon as wel.


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beauchristopher
LSU Fan
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
52056 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
It really is setting up to be OU.

If OU opens up and he doesn't go then he's likely never going to HC.

There is no doubt he would be the first call. They are already setup and they desperately want better defensive play.

Clemson really has been blessed/lucky to have Venables.


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Chalkywhite84
New Orleans Saints Fan
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
7733 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
Best line over heard today.

Dude didnt even mean to set you up
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LSU0358
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2005
7320 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
$2.5MM a year. Not the main recruiter. Doesn't have to deal with school admin, media, and the vast majority of the public.



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Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
2646 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
Guy will retire with 30+ mill. And works over 40 hrs a week...maybe 8 wks a yr

Not a bad gig


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Priapus
South Carolina
Member since Oct 2012
1390 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
Because hiding out from competition in the ACC draws a certain type of athlete and coach. Clemson has built a religion on gathering the best of those beta types all in one place. Let the other guys beat themselves up while the beta boys practice for the one decent game a regular season and pattycake the rest of the year until the playoffs.

TLDR- Venables just doesn't have the balls to become a head coach.


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SmackoverHawg
Arkansas Fan
Member since Oct 2011
22096 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
He may not want to be. He makes damn good money and doesn't have the stress of being a head coach. Even if Clemson went to shite and Dabo got fired, if he kept the defense and his schemes intact and stays on top of his game, any new coach would be insane not to retain him. If he ever wants to leave, any team without an elite defense would be insane not to throw money at him. With what assistants are making now, I can see more and more going this route. Great money, better quality of life overall and you get to focus on what you are good at and enjoy doing.

I think the CEO head coach surrounded by the best assistants they can afford and retain will be the future. Even a Bill Belichick may flounder at the college level. Time limitations on practice, recruiting, coordination of assistants and compliance issues etc. etc. There's just not enough time for even the most brilliant head coach to maximize his coaching skills.

I think the model we see with Pittman and Orgeron will be the new trend. Older, respected career assistants that have built vast networks in recruiting and relationships with other top assistants assuming a CEO role for lower pay to free up money for the best assistants. I can forsee a time when certain assistants could be making more than the head coach if the head coach can put ego aside. Even with Saban, his inability to retain his assistance has hurt Bama. The fact that Dabo has been able to do this helps with continuity, player development and recruiting. Saban>>>>>>>>Dabo in coaching intellect, but Dabo has negated that by reducing staff turnover.


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Goldrush25
Washington Fan
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
31330 posts

re: Why is Venables not a HC?
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He did an interview last year on ESPN I think. He said he’s sat back and watched great assistant coaches ruin their careers by taking HC jobs, or the wrong job for money. He also mentioned he stayed a long time at a previous job (OU?) that had a very toxic environment. Basically he’s a smart, grounded guy who’s happy where he is. If Dabo were to leave he’d be a great replacement. He actually does have a great friendly personality when off the field.


Sounds very well adjusted and self-aware. Unfortunately for him, that isn't what makes a great HC. They're all obsessive, self-aggrandizing, and inordinately confident in their talent.
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