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re: Why is Kawhi Leonard getting a pass?
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:24 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:24 pm to lsupride87
So now people have realized how dumb parroting Cowherd's argument was to devalue Steph they have moved on to Kawhi?
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Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:24 pm to RTR America
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RTR America
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:25 pm to lsupride87
I don't care, I just find it hilarious how mad Bron fanboys got over who finished SECOND in MVP voting. You're a prime example.
I was just happy about the KL B2B DPOY.
I was just happy about the KL B2B DPOY.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:25 pm to RTR America
Lebron averaged 4 more points a game, 4 more assists per game, 1 more rebound a game, 1 point higher PER, and 2% higher field goal %
He led in fricking everything. The argument doesnt work with Steph because Steph actually performed better. Leonard didnt
He led in fricking everything. The argument doesnt work with Steph because Steph actually performed better. Leonard didnt
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:26 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:The more sports board. When I have no argument, I call the other side mad
how mad
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:It's not just about who you think is better, it's about how they actually performed.
Lebron is better
I think Lebron when he wants to be, is every bit as good defensively(or at least in that realm) as Kawhi. But you have to base it on what actually happened, and during the season, we all know Lebron doesn't place much of an emphasis on playing all out defensively over the entire year.
I have no issue giving the overall performance nod to Lebron, but when you factor in all of the numbers and defense, I don't really have a problem giving it to Kawhi either. Meaning, it's closer than you're making it out to be IMO.
So yea, Lebron is better and more valuable and as dumb as it sounds, that doesn't automatically make him a better MVP candidate
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:28 pm to lsupride87
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The more sports board. When I have no argument, I call the other side mad
I'm not even arguing anything with you
like I said, IDGAF who the MVP runner up is. That's how irascible you are right now, ol' sport.
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:29 pm to lsupride87
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Lebron averaged 4 more points a game, 4 more assists per game, 1 more rebound a game, 1 point higher PER, and 2% higher field goal % He led in fricking everything
Kawhi was more efficient, more WS/48, and the gap in defense is substantial, and there's no "normal" metric you can point to so we ignore half of the game basically because of that.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:33 pm to lsupride87
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Lebron averaged 4 more points a game, 4 more assists per game, 1 more rebound a game, 1 point higher PER, and 2% higher field goal %
Played more minutes and had higher usage. Their PER 36 numbers are largely identical despite the gap in usage.
There might be a reason they were 3 damn points apart in the voting.
The only real gap is an assists for Lebron and net rating for Kawhi.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:34 pm to shel311
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Kawhi was more efficient, more WS/48, and the gap in defense is substantial, and there's no "normal" metric you can point to so we ignore half of the game basically because of that.
Kawhi's net rating was 25. That is just out of this world good. It was better than Steph's even.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:36 pm to shel311
quote:Well ok then
It's not just about who you think is better, it's about how they actually performed.
Lebron- 25.3 pts/game 6.8 assist/game 7.4 R/g 27.67 per 52%
Leonard- 21.2 pts/game 2.6assist/game 6.8 r/g 26.11 per 50%
Leads every category. Leads points and assists by a sizable margin
This post was edited on 5/13/16 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:38 pm to lsupride87
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Lebron- 25.3 pts/game 6.8 assist/game 7.4 R/g 27.67 per 52%
Leonard- 21.2 pts/game 2.6assist/game 6.8 r/g 26.11 per 50%
Seriously I love the picking and choosing of stats by people in these discussions.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:38 pm to RTR America
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Played more minutes and had higher usage
Translation: Leonard = Role Player
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:38 pm to RTR America
quote:I picked the most universal stats. The ones that come up when you google name and stats
Seriously I love the picking and choosing of stats by people in these discussions.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:39 pm to SabiDojo
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Translation: Leonard = Role Player
More like Leonard = Spur
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:39 pm to lsupride87
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Well ok then Lebron- 25.3 pts/game 6.8 assist/game 7.4 R/g 27.67 per 52% Leonard- 21.2 pts/game 2.6assist/game 6.8 r/g 26.11 per 50% Leads every category. Leads points and assists by a sizable margin
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Kawhi was more efficient, more WS/48, and the gap in defense(not how they can perform but how they did perform) is substantial, and there's no "normal" metric you can point to so we ignore half of the game basically because of that.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:40 pm to RTR America
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Based on.....
Being the 2nd best player in the league, at worst.
As always, there is always downward pressure on players that represent the status quo. As soon as someone new gets close, they'll get the nod. Remember, Rose once won the MVP over LeBron.
It will happen with Curry in time too. I like Kawhi, and he is the best player on the 2nd best team in the NBA regular season, so I won't freak out about the MVP voting going the way it did, but make no mistake - LeBron is a better player than Kawhi Leonard right now.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:42 pm to SabiDojo
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Leonard = Role Player
So, like pretty much every Spur outside of Duncan under Pop?
If anything, that makes his production even MORE impressive. Think about it.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:42 pm to lsupride87
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I picked the most universal stats. The ones that come up when you google name and stats
I'm assuming BBall reference was what the 2nd or 3rd result when you did this google search? They list a few more numbers iirc.
Posted on 5/13/16 at 3:42 pm to lsupride87
So does that mean KD is better than Lebron?
28.2ppg / 8.2 reb / 5.0assist / 28.25per
28.2ppg / 8.2 reb / 5.0assist / 28.25per
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