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re: Why is it difficult for sports leagues/ESPN to stay out of politics?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:00 pm to Ross
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:00 pm to Ross
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I guess I’m going to need to be walked through why his response makes any sense with respect to my original comment.
It doesn’t. He’s just one of those people that thinks about Trump every minute of every day. His retort is often, “yea, yea, well Strump is a rasssis” when asked what he wants for dinner.
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:01 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Why is it difficult for sports leagues/ESPN to stay out of politics?
Why is it difficult for multi-millionaires and billionaires to fund their own stadium construction projects and not hold cities ransom if they don't get the tax breaks/incentives they "need" to stay?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:03 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Why is it so hard for you to ignore the obvious PR stunts?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:04 pm to Ross
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don’t understand your point or the relevance of this reply. Sports and politics are separate entities and one requires escapism to be fun and the other almost requires a lack of escapism to even participate.
Because people get upset over how trump handles social issues the same way you get upset how these leagues are handling social issues.
The common theme is both groups get upset because the opposing side does not align with their party
So you “can’t relax” & “it takes all the fun out”. Who gives a shite. Stop whining and either ignore it or stop watching
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:08 pm to Lester Earl
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Because people get upset over how trump handles social issues the same way you get upset how these leagues are handling social issues.
One is politics and the other is sports my man. One is built to be fun and the other is built to have difficult conversations and fun isn’t even part of the equation. You are making a comparison between apples and oranges and I don’t think it’s a very valuable comparison.
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So you “can’t relax” & “it takes all the fun out”. Who gives a shite. Stop whining and either ignore it or stop watching
So this was actually the point of my original post that you didn’t really address. I think many people are going to stop watching and the demand for sports leagues is going to drop as a result of a foray into social issues.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:09 pm to Lester Earl
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The common theme is both groups get upset because the opposing side does not align with their party
Do you need someone to spell out the difference in jobs of a president and a running back? I can swing by my neighbors house and grab some crayons if that will help.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:09 pm to gthog61
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because deep down they know that grown men should be embarrassed to be doing nothing but playing children's games deep into their 30's
and even worse for people who merely cleat chase guys who play children's games into their 40's
This is the entertainment industry as a whole. Shouldn’t actors and actresses and comedians be doing something more than playing theater and cracking jokes?
FWIW, I think entertainment is very important to our lifestyle. The problem is, libs are wanting to change our lifestyle. At this rate, entertainment won’t be a core value.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:10 pm to dawgfan24348
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Why is it so hard for you to ignore the obvious PR stunts?
See OP.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:10 pm to Ross
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I think many people are going to stop watching
Some will but most won't. The MSB vastly overestimates how many people actually give a frick about all of this. The overwhelming majority of people will ignore it and continue to watch their favorite teams
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:11 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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See OP.
Ah so you're a snowflake who can't just ignore shite and instead has to bitch about it
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:12 pm to Ross
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But when escapism is stripped away, it just isn’t fun anymore for a lot of people.
If you or anyone else gets so triggered by some dudes kneeling before the competition starts or speaks on certain issues after the competition ends, that you no longer enjoy the actual competition, that's a you problem.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:12 pm to dawgfan24348
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Some will but most won't. The MSB vastly overestimates how many people actually give a frick about all of this. The overwhelming majority of people will ignore it and continue to watch their favorite teams
Eh probably. Guess we will see.
I think it will non negligibly affect their bottom line but I’d hesitate to even try to estimate how much.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:12 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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If you or anyone else gets so triggered by some dudes kneeling before the competition starts or speaks on certain issues after the competition ends, that you no longer enjoy the actual competition, that's a you problem.
I disagree with this stance, but certainly it would depend on a more case by case analysis on what exactly is being discussed and how interwoven it was into the product being consumed I’d imagine
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:15 pm to hendersonshands
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Players have been pressured into becoming political figures by the general public
The only people pressuring would be the left. Right-wingers are not wanting their athletes to speak up, with the exception of Drew Brees flipping his tune.
The real issue is that athletes think their opinion on politics is valuable. The ones propping up those opinions are the ESPN talking heads.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:15 pm to kajunman
I agree. Been watching the NFL since Saints games were blacked out in Baton Rouge. (-1977).
I have no interest in a sports league telling me how to feel about politics or morality. Play the highlights and keep your opinions and propaganda to yourself. Sports is entertainment not theoretical physics.
If I want morality I’ll take an ethics course in college or go talk to a spiritual advisor. I don’t need fricking lectures about how I should act.
Jamel Hill and ESPN can fail and so can the NFL and Goodell. I don’t care about this shite anymore. A bus could run over Rodger Goodell and I would not give a F—. Phoney league with bullshite punishments. frick em. I ain’t watching this year !
I have no interest in a sports league telling me how to feel about politics or morality. Play the highlights and keep your opinions and propaganda to yourself. Sports is entertainment not theoretical physics.
If I want morality I’ll take an ethics course in college or go talk to a spiritual advisor. I don’t need fricking lectures about how I should act.
Jamel Hill and ESPN can fail and so can the NFL and Goodell. I don’t care about this shite anymore. A bus could run over Rodger Goodell and I would not give a F—. Phoney league with bullshite punishments. frick em. I ain’t watching this year !
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:16 pm to Ross
If the NFL needs to fix something it's the awfulness of the officials as well as the cost of the tickets. I would love if the NFL could set some sort of price cap for Super Bowl tix, you shouldn't have to be rich just to go to a Super Bowl
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:18 pm to Ross
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One is politics and the other is sports my man.
Social issues transcend party politics. There isn’t a crack in society that it doesn’t leak into.
You take into account the large percentage of minorities that play professional sports, and reach that they have, and this is why they are injected into those spaces
You only cry political because it hurts your feelings. And if you’re pushing back on it, maybe you are the type of person that needs to hear it
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:18 pm to dawgfan24348
As a mizzou fan growing up and getting to be a student there during the whole ferguson/blm situation... I can say I've watched one mizzou game since leaving there. If someone asks me who my team is I'll say mizzou, but i dont care to watch them and I hate that my experience was ruined by it. I'm not the only one either.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:21 pm to Lester Earl
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Social issues transcend party politics. There isn’t a crack in society that it doesn’t leak into.
I don’t think that’s super healthy personally, and definitely don’t believe that to be an optimal financial strategy.
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You only cry political because it hurts your feelings. And if you’re pushing back on it, maybe you are the type of person that needs to hear it
I think you overestimate the ability of people I’ve never met to hurt my feelings. And believe me, the world is replete with avenues to hear the same messages I will undoubtably be hearing from some of these athletes. It is inescapable, which is why I don’t think it’s healthy. Sometimes people need an escape.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:23 pm to Lester Earl
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And if you’re pushing back on it, maybe you are the type of person that needs to hear it
If I were in the NFL, and before every game I said we need to stop the disproportionate amount of interracial crime black people commit on whites, would you be saying the same thing?
Would you need to be the person that hears it?
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