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re: Why is horrific coaching so much more common in football than other sports?
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:07 am to RandySavage
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:07 am to RandySavage
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I certainly don't know as much about the X's and O's and probably any football coach in the country but I have long maintained some of these guys need a "game manager" position on their staff to make decisions for them.
Absolutely agree. But the coaches who have premiere coordinators on both sides of the ball really have no excuse. They need to be good at something.
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Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:10 am to wildtigercat93
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And football isn't that complex
If by not complex you mean the most complex of any sport on the planet then yeah. Do you know how hard it is to explain the rules of american football to someone who has never seen it?
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 9:11 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:14 am to Jcorye1
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Tell that to every single manager that trotted out a reliever with terrible splits, only to see him get blasted.
Baseball managers do stupid things just so they have something to do to make it look like they are actually doing something.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:16 am to danfraz
quote:I would argue that football coaches are dumber than alot of people on this board. People need to realise most football coaches are ex football players who arent really smart(most not all.) I would think alot of Doctors, lawyers, CPAs etc etc would actually be much better at being a football coach if you allowed them time to learn the game.
Why do football fans think they know better than the people hired to do the fricking job???
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 9:18 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:24 am to lsupride87
Other than the top 10 guys or so, they really do seem like well paid gym teachers. By contrast, your average basketball coach seems like he would excel in any setting. The dopey football coaches that make it to the top have must have some street smarts, but I think the problem is they can't farm out the decisions at critical points in big games, so they are going to get exposed at some point.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 9:26 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:32 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
There are some fricking terrible managers in baseball, and that's the easiest fricking sport to coach.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 9:45 am to Vicks Kennel Club
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I was fine with the field goal.
Man, I can not disagree with this more. That scenario drives me bats. Up by 3 a FG does basically nothing. It is literally the only score where that is the case. I've seen it too many times. If you go for it and miss Dallas has to drive 94 or so yards vs 75-80 to get a TD but once they get into FG range, the will more than likely go for OT, whereas down by 6 they have no choice but to go for the TD and the TD beats you either way. You gain no advantage scoring wise and give the other team better field position.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 11:53 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:00 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Baseball has the advantage of no clock. Decisions by a manager don't have to be made instantly.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:06 am to H-Town Tiger
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This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'll pose another question. Are football coaches the most intelligent (or this thread's question least intelligent) of the major sports? We tend to assign a level of complexity to football that isn't given to most of other sports but is it? We know that know plays for the players is just memorization (just talking about knowing plays not executing or athleticism etc) and quite frankly any human can memorize plays. Obviously there are some very innovative and smart men to have coached the game in general i.e. Bill Walsh but is the average coach today really THAT intelligent? Something for Sloan Conf. to investigate.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:21 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:The announcers kept saying that Manning could run it down to 2:40, but this idiot snapped it with 3:00 left in the game and 20 seconds left on the play clock
I was fine with the field goal. The issue was not handing off to Rashad Jennings on third down. Also, Manning snapped the ball at 20 seconds on a play that drive (after the ref kept asking the play clock to be reset).
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:25 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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That's not true at all.
In these late game scenarios what does it do? Means they can't kick a FG to tie, that's it. A TD beats you either way, so you lose by 1 vs 4. By kicking off, you give them better field position.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:27 am to H-Town Tiger
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This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:30 am to StrongBackWeakMind
Because football is the most good old boy network of all time.
You go somewhere, totally frick up, and you're hired the next year on a new team with the logic "maybe it will work out this time".
How many coordinators are just rinsed and repeated all over the league? Its ridiculous and almost as bad with head coaches.
You go somewhere, totally frick up, and you're hired the next year on a new team with the logic "maybe it will work out this time".
How many coordinators are just rinsed and repeated all over the league? Its ridiculous and almost as bad with head coaches.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 10:31 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 10:56 am to H-Town Tiger
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Up by 3 a FG does absolutely nothing.
Not sure how you come to that conclusion? You know it's a lot harder to score a TD than a FG right? Like, a lot harder.
This post was edited on 9/14/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:46 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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That's not "absolutely nothing", is it?
My bad, i forget sometimes that we have to play the Greg Brady exact words game constantly and quibble over semantics rather than looking at the broader point, i should use modifiers, like "almost" etc.
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Sure a TD beats you either way, but it forces a TD instead of a game-tying FG. TDs are more difficult than FGs.
If you go for it from where the Giants were (inside the 10) to get a game winning TD would require them going 90+ yards vs 75-80 if you kick off. It is harder to go 95 yards that 80. Also if they have the option of kicking a FG for OT a home team will prolly more likely go for the tie. The upside of going for it is you win the game if you convert vs take some cheap almost meaningless points.
To summarize Option A Go for it. Best case you win the game, Worst case, they march downfield and score a TD to win. Middle, they get a FG to send game to OT
Option B kick the FG. Worst case is still the same. Best case, you stop them and win. No middle option.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:49 am to H-Town Tiger
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This post was edited on 9/16/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:49 am to RandySavage
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Not sure how you come to that conclusion? You know it's a lot harder to score a TD than a FG right? Like, a lot harder.
i'm using hyperbole, but the point is a FG beats you either way and by kicking the FG you a) give them better field position and b) force them to go for it, where if they have the option to tie, they have to at least consider that since it would be easier for them to get into FG range. The risk/reward is much heavier in favor of going for it.
Posted on 9/14/15 at 11:52 am to StrongBackWeakMind
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Well not only did you type "absolutely nothing," you bolded "absolutely nothing." I apologize for thinking that you meant "absolutely nothing." In the future, I will remember that when you type something, you actually mean something different.
or you could learn to not take every hyperbolic statement literally
. However, in my view, kicking a FG that scenario (late in the game, inside the 10) is a foolish move because it does little of value.
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