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re: Why is Harper continuously batting leadoff?

Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:20 pm to
Posted by FulshearTiger
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:20 pm to
This is a really stupid arse time for this thread.
Posted by KirkLazarus
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:21 pm to
He’s hitting leadoff because he’s been walked so many times with no protection behind him in the lineup. It just helps him get quality at bats with Trea Turner, the only other guy hitting well, right behind him

ETA: in addition to sabermetrics reasoning
This post was edited on 5/5/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:25 pm to
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How would a guy batting lead off get two more at bats than anyone else batting in the lineup? Unless the other guy was inserted as a pinch hitter


Over the course of a season, a leadoff hitter will get more at bat's than any other spot.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:29 pm to
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The pitcher isn't hitting in front of him



once the lineup goes around, the pitcher is essentially hitting leadoff, Difo or whoever 2 hole, then Harper. while not literally, he's still hitting in front of him

As opposed to some combo of turner, rendon, eaton in front of him

so not only are 35% OBP guys not in front of him, the pitcher (will always see strikes regardless) and difo are reaping the benefits of seeing pitches to hit instead of actual good hitters like rendon eaton and turner
This post was edited on 5/5/18 at 1:30 pm
Posted by truthbetold
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:30 pm to
Hey boss Max Scherzer is batting like .285
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:35 pm to
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Batting order doesn't matter
its not that it doesnt matter. its just been found that it doesn't have as much effect as one might have previously assumed. you want to make sure Harper bats in the top 3 to hit in the first. then you want to theoretically put one or two OBP guys in front. But when those guys are hurt, you might as well lead him off so he gets the most at bats

once again, these are all assumptions based on how these situations should play out over 162 games
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:36 pm to


FTR I dont hate Harper in the leadoff. I think 2 spot would be ideal for him, especially if Matt Adams keeps swinging it

id like to see Turner/Rendon/Eaton numbers with Harper hitting behind one of them vs not, too
Posted by truthbetold
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 1:38 pm to
Yeah the opening day lineup was Eaton, Rendon, Harper

I suspect the world will return to its normal orbit once they are all back.

Zimmerman is terrible, though. Bench his arse for Adams against righties and at some point get Murphy back and you've got a really good lineup.
Posted by Goldrush25
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 2:10 pm to
Trends change as the players change. Teams don't always have to follow conventional wisdom.
This post was edited on 5/5/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted by FulshearTiger
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 3:03 pm to
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Over the course of a season, a leadoff hitter will get more at bat's than any other spot.

Thanks for explaining this to us. You must have played at a really high level.
Posted by Deadeyedick
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 3:13 pm to
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Over the course of a season, a leadoff hitter will get more at bat's than any other spot.


But he has just batted lead off a small number of games, not an entire season
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 3:13 pm to
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I’m probably wrong, but wouldn’t the lead off batter get 1 or 2 more AB’s than the rest of the lineup?

How can a leadoff hitter get 2 more at bats than another spot in the lineup?


We're really talking about the difference between batting 3rd or 4th, which probably long term would be something like 30-40 extra plate appearances over the course of a season. That sound good in theory, but you probably get more value out of 30 less plate appearances but batting 3rd behind 2 high OBP guys as opposed to batting 1st where you're guaranteed at least 1 AB with no one on base then the rest of the game batting behind 8th/9th hole hitters who are generally the worst hitters on your team.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 3:15 pm to


How is he not the poster boy for steroids?
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 3:17 pm to
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It absolutely doesn't matter. The difference between the best possible lineup and a typical lineup is about 5 to 15 runs which is about 0.5 to 1.5 wins over a season. That's a minuscule difference. Also, you have to think about it in a common sense way. The batting order only plays a factor in the first inning of a ballgame. For example, the leadoff hitter is only guaranteed to bat leadoff during the first inning of a game. They aren't guaranteed to bat leadoff in their second or third or fourth at-bats. Same thing with the #3 hitters. They're only guaranteed to bat third during the first inning. They might lead off an inning during the rest of their at-bats or bat second or third. Basically people spend way too much time on an issue that really isn't very important.

That's 1 more inning guaranteed to bat leadoff than the #3 hitter.

Now do you want your high slugging guy to hit behind 2 of your best OBP guys in the leadoff and #2 spot?

Or do you want him hitting behind probably the worst hitting position player and your pitcher who hits .083?
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 3:41 pm to
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How is he not the poster boy for steroids?


I don’t know and I don’t care. The man went out there and did his job, and did it damn well. I also acknowledge that steroids didn’t magically pop up in the 90s, that shite was around as early(widespread) as the 60s. Athletes are always looking for a way to improve performance. Babe Ruth tried sheep testicle extract in the 20s but only made himself sick. Hell, the MLB’s first 300 game winner, Pud Galvin was reported to use monkey testosterone....in 1889. It’s disingenuous to pretend that other eras didn’t use them.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 4:22 pm to
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I don’t know and I don’t care. The man went out there and did his job, and did it damn well. I also acknowledge that steroids didn’t magically pop up in the 90s, that shite was around as early(widespread) as the 60s. Athletes are always looking for a way to improve performance. Babe Ruth tried sheep testicle extract in the 20s but only made himself sick. Hell, the MLB’s first 300 game winner, Pud Galvin was reported to use monkey testosterone....in 1889. It’s disingenuous to pretend that other eras didn’t use them.

Hank Aaron is guilty too, he took greenies.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 4:26 pm to
They were not pitching to him.

Now they put the lead run on if they won't face him.

Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 4:31 pm to
I don't care either.

Just wondering how he isn't right up there with some of the most egregious juicers.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 4:38 pm to
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Eaton, Murphy and Rendon have been hurt. Have to do what you have to do when your 2nd, 3rd and 4th best hitters are out



Exactly. They've been so damn banged up.
Posted by ZZTIGERS
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/5/18 at 4:41 pm to
If I had to guess, it’s because it was before his time. Steroids became an issue around the mid to late 90s(although Selig knew about it WAY, WAY before that). Rickey was on the “decline”, although still putting up very respectable numbers. If he would have been putting up ‘96 Brady Anderson numbers, he would be lumped with the Sosa, McGwire & Bonds of the world.
This post was edited on 5/5/18 at 4:44 pm
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