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re: Why is Dallas Keuchel not on a roster?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:31 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:31 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I’m sure him and Kimbrel will sign deals right after the draft
Bingo.
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Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:32 pm to TulaneFan
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Because he’s not good?
You solved part A!
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Because he wants way more money than anyone is willing to pay
And you solved part B!
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Scott Boras
Ding ding ding! That's the trifecta. part C!
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:32 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I am not blindly defending management 
you want to point the finger at mean old boogeyman billionaires when they’re just exploiting the rules in place to their benefit.
you want to point the finger at mean old boogeyman billionaires when they’re just exploiting the rules in place to their benefit. 
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:33 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Why do liberals believe everything is collusion?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:33 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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you want to point the finger at mean old boogeyman billionaires
I’m using basic logic, in a competitive and free market salaries don’t drop as revenues rise.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Albies’ 9yr/45 contract should tell you that the MLB isn’t a free market.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:36 pm to Draconian Sanctions
It isn’t a perfectly competitive and free market, what pro sports league is? That doesn’t mean owners are colluding with each other
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:36 pm to theducks
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Why do liberals believe everything is collusion?
Bruh, if conservatives didn’t have their MSM collusion to talk about anymore they wouldn’t know what to do.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:39 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
That’s your only response?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:41 pm to Draconian Sanctions
If you read what Albies deal was from the poster above and haven’t figured it out yet I don’t know what to tell you
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:49 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
You’re cherry picking. It’s a worthwhile conversation to have considering baseball’s looooong history of collusion. Here’s a brief timeline:
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Free agency signings have slowed to a crawl in recent years.
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And people all over the game have noticed it:
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Maybe it’s not happening, but to dismiss it outright and to patronize/personally attack someone for even suggesting it is not only intellectually dishonest it’s also downright bizarre.
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Free agency signings have slowed to a crawl in recent years.
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And people all over the game have noticed it:
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The behavior of owners in this year’s free agent market has changed dramatically. It feels coordinated, rightly or wrongly,” Van Wagenen wrote. “Many club presidents and general managers with whom we negotiate are frustrated with the lack of funds to sign the plethora of good players still available, raising further suspicion of institutional influence over the spending. Even the algorithms that have helped determine player salaries in recent years are suggesting dramatically higher values than owners appear willing to spend.”
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Maybe it’s not happening, but to dismiss it outright and to patronize/personally attack someone for even suggesting it is not only intellectually dishonest it’s also downright bizarre.
This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 8:56 pm to Draconian Sanctions
DK????
Why isn't Kimbrel on a roster. Kimbrel was best closer in baseball
the new metrics don't like 30+ year olds
Why isn't Kimbrel on a roster. Kimbrel was best closer in baseball
the new metrics don't like 30+ year olds
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:00 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Because instead of actually looking at the situation and figuring out what the problem is (because there is one) you and others want to point the finger at someone
And Albies deal was not cherry picking there were like 30 others that went down this offseason similar to it but not as bad as his
And Albies deal was not cherry picking
there were like 30 others that went down this offseason similar to it but not as bad as his This post was edited on 5/2/19 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:02 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Keuchel and Kimbrel insisted on long term deals at top dollar at ages where they would have needed recent history and production at the post-season level
Kimbrel may have had the worst post-season closer numbers of all time, and Keuchel hasn’t won a playoff start in years. There’s not one pitcher in all of MLB that gave up more hits than Keuchel did last year.
These guys acted like they were in high leverage situations. The Astros replaced Keuchel w Miley who has better numbers than Keuchel did for less than half his salary.
Kimbrel may have had the worst post-season closer numbers of all time, and Keuchel hasn’t won a playoff start in years. There’s not one pitcher in all of MLB that gave up more hits than Keuchel did last year.
These guys acted like they were in high leverage situations. The Astros replaced Keuchel w Miley who has better numbers than Keuchel did for less than half his salary.
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:03 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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instead of actually looking at the situation
Just because I don’t come to the same conclusion you do doesn’t necessarily mean I’m not look at the situation. I know that’s hard for people who are a prisoner of their own perspective, but i promise it’s true.
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you and others want to point the finger at someone
Well isn't that sort of fair considering the group being pointed out have engaged in these exact tactics all throughout history?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:04 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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How does the collusion thing work. JA Happ Patrick Corbin and Charlie Morton the owners are cool with but they hate Keuchel so they said “nobody can sign him”. Please explain
Think he kneeled when a Marine was honored during the 5th inning Oxy Salute to Service
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:04 pm to wahoocs
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Just because I don’t come to the same conclusion you do doesn’t necessarily mean I’m not look at the situation. I know that’s hard for people who are a prisoner of their own perspective, but i promise it’s true
Please explain how collusion would realistically work between owners and front offices in this day and age. You never responded to my question about other pitchers at the top of the market getting contracts, for instance
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Well isn't that sort of fair considering the group being pointed out have engaged in these exact tactics all throughout history?
The current owners were owners in the 80’s?
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:10 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Why would a team surrender draft compensation for an extra 6 weeks of Dallas Keuchel
Posted on 5/2/19 at 9:10 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Please explain how collusion would realistically work between owners and front offices in this day and age.
Why would it operate any differently today than it has at any other point in history?
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The current owners were owners in the 80’s?
No, but the ones in the 80’s weren’t the same as the ones from the 50’s and 60’s who colluded, either.
Again I want to point out that I’m not saying it’s 100% definitely happening. I have my suspicions and I’ve posted support for that position, but I just think it’s worth a conversation. The vehement and aggressive denials as if the other posters in this thread are owners themselves is bizarre.
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