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re: Why is baseball dying?
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:47 am to Hullabaloo
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:47 am to Hullabaloo
There is a soccer/baseball inverse connection in youth sports.
Soccer is very popular with small kids but they leave it in HS.
Baseball is a sport that cannot be picked up in HS. You have to learn the skill set around 7 or 8 years old.
So youth soccer drains some potentially good baseball players and does not produce good soccer players.
Soccer is very popular with small kids but they leave it in HS.
Baseball is a sport that cannot be picked up in HS. You have to learn the skill set around 7 or 8 years old.
So youth soccer drains some potentially good baseball players and does not produce good soccer players.
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Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:50 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Talk about a deceiving stat
i hope baseball, with TEN times the games as the NFL, outdrew the NFL in attendence
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
MLB is down because a handful of teams in large markets buy all the good players and most teams don't have a fair opportunity to compete.
And the players' union is out of control--a player can tear up his contract and go to arbitration to FORCE his employer to pay more, but if a player sucks the owner is stuck with the contract. That make the uneven playing field even worse since one bad free agent can set a small market team back for years.
In the NFL, the best-run teams are rewarded. You could never have a Green Bay Packers in baseball.
A secondary reason is college football is bigger nationally than college baseball, so fans who don't care about the NFL will still tune in to see their old college favorites.
And the players' union is out of control--a player can tear up his contract and go to arbitration to FORCE his employer to pay more, but if a player sucks the owner is stuck with the contract. That make the uneven playing field even worse since one bad free agent can set a small market team back for years.
In the NFL, the best-run teams are rewarded. You could never have a Green Bay Packers in baseball.
A secondary reason is college football is bigger nationally than college baseball, so fans who don't care about the NFL will still tune in to see their old college favorites.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:55 am to Hullabaloo
The season is too long. Once Septbember hits, no one cares about baseball. Football is king.
Need to move it down to 154 games, schedule double-headers, add playoff teams, and make the season end around early September.
More playoff teams (which I would hate, but might be necessary) would keep more cities interested during the postseason. It would also make the postseason longer, so if you started the playoffs in early September, the World Series could still start on October 1st.
Play all of the playoffs in September, and only the World Series in October.
Need to move it down to 154 games, schedule double-headers, add playoff teams, and make the season end around early September.
More playoff teams (which I would hate, but might be necessary) would keep more cities interested during the postseason. It would also make the postseason longer, so if you started the playoffs in early September, the World Series could still start on October 1st.
Play all of the playoffs in September, and only the World Series in October.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:55 am to Hullabaloo
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Why is baseball dying?
It's a painfully boring sport?
Posted on 1/17/11 at 11:57 am to SlowFlowPro
that's part of the reason why you can get cheap MLB tickets and it wont break the bank compared to NFL games. 
also, taking off work at noon on a wednesday in June to catch a ballgame >>>>>>> freezing your arse off on a sunday to watch an NFL game
also, taking off work at noon on a wednesday in June to catch a ballgame >>>>>>> freezing your arse off on a sunday to watch an NFL game
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:this whole post is just full of fail
MLB is down because a handful of teams in large markets buy all the good players and most teams don't have a fair opportunity to compete.
And the players' union is out of control--a player can tear up his contract and go to arbitration to FORCE his employer to pay more, but if a player sucks the owner is stuck with the contract. That make the uneven playing field even worse since one bad free agent can set a small market team back for years.
In the NFL, the best-run teams are rewarded. You could never have a Green Bay Packers in baseball.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:00 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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MLB is down because a handful of teams in large markets buy all the good players and most teams don't have a fair opportunity to compete.
Baseball needs the Yankees, Red Sox, and Phillies to be good. If those teams weren't consistently good, it wouldn't be good for the sport, no matter what people think.
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In the NFL, the best-run teams are rewarded. You could never have a Green Bay Packers in baseball.
Tampa Bay Rays? Florida Marlins? These two have played in a combined 3 world series and won 2 of them in the last 14 seasons. While I would agree that it's hard to win CONSISTENTLY without having a lot of money, it's not hard to win sometimes. You just have to want to win. The Pittsburgh Pirates don't care about winning. The Kansas City Royals, for the most part, don't care about winning.
Then let's talk about the Minnesota Twins. Before, I said it was hard to win consistently without money. Well guess what, the Twins are one of the teams who have done it. And now, because of their success, they've been able to build a brand new stadium, which will increase the teams revenues by a ton. They have practically transformed themselves from a small-market team to a medium-market team. It is possible.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:01 pm to Pilot Tiger
I love Baseball. Football is our number one sport and thats not in question. Basketball is fighting for a spot but todays basketball athletes I fear turn off many viewers. I think the NBA is on a downswing right now. Its not Bulls/Jazz or Lakers/Celtics any more. Its, "tune in tonight for The King vs Mello. Sickening IMO.
Baseball is the constant. Nothing like a day at the ball park. Jacobs field with the Tribe in the playoffs is one special place!
Baseball is the constant. Nothing like a day at the ball park. Jacobs field with the Tribe in the playoffs is one special place!
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:01 pm to BayouBengals03
you forgot teams like the A's as well.
scouting and player development are very important
scouting and player development are very important
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:03 pm to bomber77
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Its not Bulls/Jazz or Lakers/Celtics any more. Its, "tune in tonight for The King vs Mello.
it hasn't been team vs. team since the early 80s
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:04 pm to Zach
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There is a soccer/baseball inverse connection in youth sports.
Soccer is very popular with small kids but they leave it in HS.
Baseball is a sport that cannot be picked up in HS. You have to learn the skill set around 7 or 8 years old.
So youth soccer drains some potentially good baseball players and does not produce good soccer players.
This is so very true. I coach my daughter's t-ball team, and I had a parent pull their kids out because 'they didn't run enough'. Put them in soccer instead. All they cared about was tiring out their kids. They forget about the hand-eye coordination skills the kids learn.
This is a huge problem in our area.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:04 pm to Pilot Tiger
Yep. Good point.
If teams are run properly from the top, starting with the commitment to winning, scouting, and player developement, it is possible to consistently win no matter who you are or what market you play in.
If teams are run properly from the top, starting with the commitment to winning, scouting, and player developement, it is possible to consistently win no matter who you are or what market you play in.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:06 pm to Pilot Tiger
Sorry for not responding, I was at the world war II museum 
As for people asking why I believe baseball is dying:
1) it's become a popularity contest as far as youth baseball goes
2) it's not as exciting to our "gotta have it now" generation of up and comers
3) The thought was proposed by a talk me and my old man were talking about how things were when he was a kid.
I think technology killed baseball. I prefer listening to a baseball game than watching it.
When you watch it, you notice how long it takes for the pitch. Where as when listening, the announcer is doing his job of keeping the attention of the listeners.
Not saying that tv announcers don't, just that when you see the game. People tend to sound out the announcers.
As for people asking why I believe baseball is dying:
1) it's become a popularity contest as far as youth baseball goes
2) it's not as exciting to our "gotta have it now" generation of up and comers
3) The thought was proposed by a talk me and my old man were talking about how things were when he was a kid.
I think technology killed baseball. I prefer listening to a baseball game than watching it.
When you watch it, you notice how long it takes for the pitch. Where as when listening, the announcer is doing his job of keeping the attention of the listeners.
Not saying that tv announcers don't, just that when you see the game. People tend to sound out the announcers.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:06 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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But if baseball is still #2, it won't be for much longer. NBA overtaking the MLB is inevitable, and for many reasons.
Um, why? From what I understand, Stern thinks they are going to lock-out, and then they'd be very far behind MLB.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:06 pm to bomber77
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I think the NBA is on a downswing right now
the NBA is more popular now then anytime since the bird and magic era.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:07 pm to CanuckBlue
That's not a problem, IMO.
I'd much rather my kids play soccer over baseball/tee-ball
I'd much rather my kids play soccer over baseball/tee-ball
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:09 pm to Jcorye1
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Um, why? From what I understand, Stern thinks they are going to lock-out, and then they'd be very far behind MLB.
Yea.
The NBA is more popular now than it has been in a long time, and I still don't think it's that close to the popularity of baseball. The World Series out rates the NBA Finals every year unless it's Celtics-Lakers.
A lock out and the NBA wouldn't even be close.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:11 pm to Hullabaloo
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When you watch it, you notice how long it takes for the pitch. Where as when listening, the announcer is doing his job of keeping the attention of the listeners.
Not saying that tv announcers don't,
Today's TV annoucners certainly don't. They are dry and boring as hell. No energy - they are too afraid of saying something improprer.
Bring us back to some of the old time announcers and it would be more interesting, but certainly, the pace on TV is slow to watch.
Posted on 1/17/11 at 12:11 pm to Hullabaloo
ESPN pimps the shite out of the LLWS. It pimps the shite out of the HR derby
i admit that a lot of youth baseball stuff is a money scam, but LL and dixie are still extremely popular
If baseball is "dying" then what is taking it's place? basketball? hockey? uhh no.
baseball is still more popular than football as a youth sport and MLB is still #2 behind NFL in pro sports. I don't see any evidence as to how it's dying
i admit that a lot of youth baseball stuff is a money scam, but LL and dixie are still extremely popular
quote:what evidence is there that this is a reason it's dying?
it's not as exciting to our "gotta have it now" generation of up and comers
If baseball is "dying" then what is taking it's place? basketball? hockey? uhh no.
baseball is still more popular than football as a youth sport and MLB is still #2 behind NFL in pro sports. I don't see any evidence as to how it's dying
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