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re: Why does Drew Brees get so disrespected?
Posted on 4/12/20 at 11:56 am to oleyeller
Posted on 4/12/20 at 11:56 am to oleyeller
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1 < 2 any tard can luck up and get 1 superbowl.
Brock Osweiler and the Denver defense won that Super Bowl, Peyton was completely the weak link of that squad, should basically receive Trent Dilfer credit for it. Peyton also lucked out to win his first Super Bowl with that absurd comeback against the Pats in the AFC title game and playing one of the worst teams ever to advance to the Super Bowl.
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Brees is on par with the brad johnsons ane trent dilfers of the world.
All the evidence I need to conclude you know absolutely nothing about football
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He will never be in the multi bowl club with the elite..sorry
Never say never bro
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0 mvps.. never been best player in nfl 0< 5
All the evidence one needs to conclude that award is not credible
This post was edited on 4/12/20 at 12:32 pm
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Posted on 4/12/20 at 11:56 am to Mr. Hangover
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The post you replied to was referring to a few different QBs. Are you talking about brees?
Manning
Posted on 4/12/20 at 2:16 pm to NawlinsTiger9
quote:I'm doing my best but I'm just no match when the nonsense is coming in waves!
I skimmed through this page and my god
Thread is a wasteland
Posted on 4/12/20 at 2:29 pm to shel311
Oh look Colin is here.
Rodgers > Manning > Brady > Brees.
That debate has ended. The next generation of quarterbacks is here.
Rodgers > Manning > Brady > Brees.
That debate has ended. The next generation of quarterbacks is here.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 5:51 pm to RollTide1987
Because he is a stays guy. Throws more, plays in a dome and wins Jack shite. Next question.
Posted on 4/12/20 at 5:55 pm to pbro62
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Because he is a stays guy. Throws more, plays in a dome and wins Jack shite. Next question.
You're gonna have to try harder and do better than that nonsense.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 1:06 am to DBG
The season Jimmy Graham turned 31 was when his stats took a dive and after
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Based on what evidence? You didn't provide any. I did.
If Brees made Jimmy Graham, why didn't he make anyone else?
Brees plays nine indoor games a season. Plus, any other non-divisional road games indoors.
Rogers broke his right collarbone on a naked bootleg, he wasn't taking an unnecessary risk. As soon as he rolled, the defensive player was right there.
There is no doubt Brees is good, he is just not as good as Aaron Rodgers based on career stats.
Rodgers is probably the most talented quarterback in NFL history.
Tom Brady probably is the most efficient quarterback ever. Drew Brees is possibly the second most efficient quarterback right now.
Rodgers doesn't throw interceptions and will pass up small gains for deep shots. He doesn't really check down or take risks. Another thing he can do is get them defense to jump and get them with 12 men. His release is incredibly quick and his accuracy, exceptional. Arm strength wise, one of the best in the league.
Drew Brees throws a lot of short passes which, is totally different from Rodgers.
Aaron is just better.
You seem insecure about your boy Drew.
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Based on what evidence? You didn't provide any. I did.
If Brees made Jimmy Graham, why didn't he make anyone else?
Brees plays nine indoor games a season. Plus, any other non-divisional road games indoors.
Rogers broke his right collarbone on a naked bootleg, he wasn't taking an unnecessary risk. As soon as he rolled, the defensive player was right there.
There is no doubt Brees is good, he is just not as good as Aaron Rodgers based on career stats.
Rodgers is probably the most talented quarterback in NFL history.
Tom Brady probably is the most efficient quarterback ever. Drew Brees is possibly the second most efficient quarterback right now.
Rodgers doesn't throw interceptions and will pass up small gains for deep shots. He doesn't really check down or take risks. Another thing he can do is get them defense to jump and get them with 12 men. His release is incredibly quick and his accuracy, exceptional. Arm strength wise, one of the best in the league.
Drew Brees throws a lot of short passes which, is totally different from Rodgers.
Aaron is just better.
You seem insecure about your boy Drew.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 1:10 am
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:59 am to WolfPackers
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There is no doubt Brees is good, he is just not as good as Aaron Rodgers based on career stats.
Yikes. It’s not a real comparison based on “career stats”. ARs peak may have been great and he may be the “most talented” as you said (which means nothing), but it isn’t 2016 anymore. He hasn’t played near the same level lately
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Rogers broke his right collarbone on a naked bootleg, he wasn't taking an unnecessary risk. As soon as he rolled, the defensive player was right there.
Yeah, no
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Naked bootleg
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You seem insecure about your boy Drew.
Yeah he’s the one who seems insecure.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 8:08 am
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:13 am to BreesyInBigEasy
Not really fair to compare careers stats when Brees has thrown so much more.
I would say in Rodgers 12 seasons he actually played he was better than Brees in 6 of them.
Rodgers is ahead in most efficiency stats, while Brees is ahead in career stats.
In terms of peaks, I'm taking Rodgers no doubt, but durability and an earlier opportunity has allowed Brees to pass him in terms of careers for now.
If Rodgers get another MVP or contributes heavily to another Superbowl, I think he passes Brees
I would say in Rodgers 12 seasons he actually played he was better than Brees in 6 of them.
Rodgers is ahead in most efficiency stats, while Brees is ahead in career stats.
In terms of peaks, I'm taking Rodgers no doubt, but durability and an earlier opportunity has allowed Brees to pass him in terms of careers for now.
If Rodgers get another MVP or contributes heavily to another Superbowl, I think he passes Brees
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:23 am to 4quartaBamaball
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Not to mention he chokes more often than not when the games on the line.
I seem to have missed that play where Drew couldnt tackle Lynch, Vernon Davis, Diggs, or throw the flag in the NFCCG
Posted on 4/13/20 at 9:28 am to RollTide1987
Small market.
If he were in New York, Chicago, L.A or Dallas with the same accolades, he'd be considered the GOAT.
If he were in New York, Chicago, L.A or Dallas with the same accolades, he'd be considered the GOAT.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 10:27 am to 4quartaBamaball
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Not to mention he chokes more often than not when the games on the line.
Please cite your source
I have stats that argue otherwise
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:43 am to Samson
Well Drew has a Superbowl and the BEST stats while playing on a team that historically was one of the worst teams in the NFL when before he got there.
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:46 pm to BreesyInBigEasy
You're right he didn't bootleg. My bad.
Have you seen his receiving corp and tight ends? No one, but Adams can get open. He has 4 undrafted free agents as receivers and a 5th rounder and his tight ends can't get open. Jace Sternberber is still open to question, because he hasn't played much after being from injury.
This isn't new either. His receivers have been terrible for the last few years, outside of Adams. Drew probably has a better supporting cast considering the glaring lack of talent on the packers offense.
He also doesn't get to play in a dome 9 times a year, plus any other teams with indoor stadiums and he doesn't play in cold, rainy,snowy and windy conditions, compared to those with open stadiums.
Yeah, Brees is obviously ahead in some career stats, because he has played much longer.
Rodgers has been injured a lot, so i guess drew is more durable.
Stats alone are somewhat misleading, when factoring all the variables like dome, receivers, o-line, defense giving up points and forcing you to get out of your game plan.
Drew Brees doesn't get as much respect because Rodgers has been the best qb for many years.
He also plays for the Green Bay Packers, who are one the most popular teams in the league.
Maybe Drew is better right now, but honestly if you want to be intellectual about it, its hard to say because the packers offense sucks outside of Adams and Jones.
Have you seen his receiving corp and tight ends? No one, but Adams can get open. He has 4 undrafted free agents as receivers and a 5th rounder and his tight ends can't get open. Jace Sternberber is still open to question, because he hasn't played much after being from injury.
This isn't new either. His receivers have been terrible for the last few years, outside of Adams. Drew probably has a better supporting cast considering the glaring lack of talent on the packers offense.
He also doesn't get to play in a dome 9 times a year, plus any other teams with indoor stadiums and he doesn't play in cold, rainy,snowy and windy conditions, compared to those with open stadiums.
Yeah, Brees is obviously ahead in some career stats, because he has played much longer.
Rodgers has been injured a lot, so i guess drew is more durable.
Stats alone are somewhat misleading, when factoring all the variables like dome, receivers, o-line, defense giving up points and forcing you to get out of your game plan.
Drew Brees doesn't get as much respect because Rodgers has been the best qb for many years.
He also plays for the Green Bay Packers, who are one the most popular teams in the league.
Maybe Drew is better right now, but honestly if you want to be intellectual about it, its hard to say because the packers offense sucks outside of Adams and Jones.
This post was edited on 4/13/20 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 4/13/20 at 7:59 pm to shel311
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shel311
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I'm doing my best
Poor arguments and a dimwitted misapplication of statistics?
Posted on 4/13/20 at 11:54 pm to MusclesofBrussels
Saints fans during the season -- we are the most complete team. We have the best receivers, the best running game, the best offensive line. We're gonna easily beat them, and we're going to the super bowl and are gonna win.
After the season -- Drew Brees is the best because he only has one good wide receiver, his running game sucks, his offensive line sucks.
After the season -- Drew Brees is the best because he only has one good wide receiver, his running game sucks, his offensive line sucks.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 12:54 am to WolfPackers
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We have the best receivers,
Saints fan have been very critical of our WRs and have been begging the team to address it. We had no one outside of Thomas
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, the best running game,
Who said this? Saints fans were pretty critical of Kamara who was banged up
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the best offensive line.
Saints fans hate Peat
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After the season -- Drew Brees is the best because he only has one good wide receiver, his running game sucks, his offensive line sucks.
Pretty sad when you have to create your own arguments and still can’t win
And the saints do have a very good roster when healthy. That wasn’t the case when we led the nfl in dead cap space with an old Colston and an average offensive line. Brees still put up the monster numbers
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 12:57 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 1:01 am to WolfPackers
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This isn't new either. His receivers have been terrible for the last few years, outside of Adams
Do you take away credit when he had Nelson, Cobb, and Adams? Or Nelson, Jennings, Finley, Jones, and Driver?
He’s been sub 100 passer rating for 3 of the past 4 seasons and sub 65% completions in the same. His style of play is exciting and lead to some of the best seasons ever, but he holds the ball to extend plays also leading the sacks, injuries, etc. He doesn’t do his offensive line any favors.
And yes, the supporting cast for the saints is currently better.
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He also doesn't get to play in a dome 9 times a year, plus any other teams with indoor stadiums and he doesn't play in cold, rainy,snowy and windy conditions, compared to those with open stadiums.
Outside comparison the past few seasons (despite Brees’s all being away games)
2019: Brees 116.2 passer rating > AR 101.6 (inside 74.3)
2018: Brees 99 > AR 96.7
2017: Brees 103.2 > AR 95.4
AR was on pace to the GOAT, but that was 4 seasons ago and he could not sustain his incredible level of play
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 1:24 am
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:00 am to BreesyInBigEasy
Yes, his current receivers except Adams, suck. His tight ends suck. We don't know about Sternberger.
The receivers and tight ends do deserve credit for Rodgers' stats when he was playing elite football.
Rodger also gets credit for making them look good.
The key difference is his receivers and tight ends are so bad they can't get open, except for Adams.
You can't make guys better who cannot get open.
You're only focusing on Rodgers play and not the receivers and tight ends during this decline.
But you give credit to Rodgers and his receiving corps and tight ends when he was winning mvps.
Cherry Picking
Drew Brees dinks and dunks so completion is higher, while Aaron looks downfield.
Just because he had better outdoor stats doesn't mean playing 9 games in domes, and any other dome games do not matter.
You realize Rodgers was injured in the two of the three stats you cite? Collarbone and broken leg bone.
Stats require context as well.
Rodgers to Adams was vintage last year.
The packers receivers are practice squad guys playing on in nfl games.
The receivers and tight ends do deserve credit for Rodgers' stats when he was playing elite football.
Rodger also gets credit for making them look good.
The key difference is his receivers and tight ends are so bad they can't get open, except for Adams.
You can't make guys better who cannot get open.
You're only focusing on Rodgers play and not the receivers and tight ends during this decline.
But you give credit to Rodgers and his receiving corps and tight ends when he was winning mvps.
Cherry Picking
Drew Brees dinks and dunks so completion is higher, while Aaron looks downfield.
Just because he had better outdoor stats doesn't mean playing 9 games in domes, and any other dome games do not matter.
You realize Rodgers was injured in the two of the three stats you cite? Collarbone and broken leg bone.
Stats require context as well.
Rodgers to Adams was vintage last year.
The packers receivers are practice squad guys playing on in nfl games.
This post was edited on 4/14/20 at 3:37 am
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