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Posted on 12/19/16 at 11:20 am to LandonC
Didn't Saban instantly improve the Dolphins? Isn't Chip better than plenty NFL head coaches? Harbaugh? Pete?
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:18 pm to ReauxlTide222
The NFL is much more parity in regards to getting talent with the draft and free agency and salary caps.
The NFL is where coaching makes the most difference. The talent gap between teams in the NFL is razor thin.
I always thought Saban could win in the NFL since he was a DC in the NFL and guys like Johnson and Switzer and Harbaugh won in the NFL.
The NFL is where the truly great coaches reside now.
The NFL is where coaching makes the most difference. The talent gap between teams in the NFL is razor thin.
I always thought Saban could win in the NFL since he was a DC in the NFL and guys like Johnson and Switzer and Harbaugh won in the NFL.
The NFL is where the truly great coaches reside now.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 1:24 pm to LandonC
If Spurrier and Saban didn't have college football to come back to, they probably would do fine in the NFL. A lot of NFL coaches don't do so hot their first time out.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:40 pm to LandonC
The NFL is hard. Most NFL head coaches fail. Not just ones that came from college.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 2:42 pm to LandonC
because of the salary cap
You can come in and be cap strapped, with shite contracts
You can come in and be cap strapped, with shite contracts
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:15 pm to Undertow
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The NFL is hard. Most NFL head coaches fail. Not just ones that came from college.
this, i bet the failure rate is not any different for guys that come from college vs guys that were lifetime pro coaches.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:27 pm to Undertow
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The NFL is hard. Most NFL head coaches fail. Not just ones that came from college.
The NFL is institutionally conservative, regimented, and clickish. Half the NFL coaches come from the same 15 families and they just recycle their tired bullshite from job to job.
They don't take kindly to coaches who come out of college and act like they're going to "revolutionize" the game. The rules limit innovation anyway.
And then you still have to measure each one case by case and you see how out of place you are in their culture. Steve Spurrier wasn't going to spend 20 hours a day in the office creating a game plan. Chip Kelly was openly despised by every talented player on his team, so he dumped all of them and replaced them with crap. I have no idea why San Francisco thought he was a good idea. The ones who succeed often spent time in the NFL as well as in CFB and didn't rock the boat too much. Guys like Bill Walsh made the transition from college head coach to NFL head coach because he spent a ton of time being Paul Brown's sidekick before he went to Stanford.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:35 pm to LandonC
Chip Kelly's system failing in the NFL was a fairly easy prediction. It's based on up tempo offense and in the long haul that wears out your defense.
Take away the up tempo and he does nothing that the NFL hasn't seen before, and the talent level is equal.
Take away the up tempo and he does nothing that the NFL hasn't seen before, and the talent level is equal.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:42 pm to SECFan1995
quote:Chip Kelly's system didn't fall. His personnel decisions combined with his ego caused him to fail. The decisions he made at Philly with guys like Nick Foles, Lesean McCoy, and others were some of the craziest I had seen.
Chip Kelly's system failing in the NFL was a fairly easy prediction. It's based on up tempo offense and in the long haul that wears out your defense.
When he dumped all his good talent, he was left with Mark Buttfumble Sanchez at QB. He was promptly fired following the season.
I loathe the 49ers, but his performance there should be taken with a grain of salt considering how much San Fran sucks right now.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:52 pm to Kodar
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Chip Kelly's system didn't fall. His personnel decisions combined with his ego caused him to fail. The decisions he made at Philly with guys like Nick Foles, Lesean McCoy, and others were some of the craziest I had seen.
When he got there, they had Nick Foles (who was tearing it up in his system), LeSean McCoy, DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin.
When he left, he had Sam Bradford at QB. He brought in DeMarco Murray and had no idea to use him to the point that KenJon Barner was just as effective. His WRs were Jordan Matthews, Nelson Aghalor, Josh Huff and Riley Cooper.
THIS is why Chip Kelly failed. He had the keys to a sports car and he traded it in for a Ford Focus. Because I'm Chip Kelly and I'm making NFL Oregon and I don't need Pro Bowlers. I MAKE Pro Bowlers.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 4:59 pm to lsutigers1992
troll thread is troll thread, but i'm watching a bad bowl game, so i'll bite (really is sad how far lsu falls have fallen with their insecurity) ...
chip kelly was 20-14 his first two years in the nfl ... that's a very good record for anyone ... if you're judging saban/kelly/spurrier on their very short terms (or just trolling bama fans), then you'd look at similar periods of time by other coaches, i.e. their first 2-3 years ... the eagles were 12-20 the two years prior to kelly, who went 20-12 the next two ... in whose world is that a failure? ... the dolphins were 4-12 & fielded aj feeley and jay fiedler the year prior to saban taking over ... in whose world are those serviceable qbs? ... he went 9-7 his first year with gus frerotte, a 34 yo journeyman ... the deal for brees fell through and he had to rely on daunte culpepper, coming off a knee injury ... spurrier probably made the most mistakes, though working for snyder has been a blackhole for any coach ...
you mention jj ... why wasn't he as successful in miami as he was in dallas? ... players? ... young team/qb vs old team/qb? ...
most nfl coaches aren't that good, relative to the handful that are ... there's a myriad of reasons for failure in the nfl, much of it out of control of the coach ...
chip kelly was 20-14 his first two years in the nfl ... that's a very good record for anyone ... if you're judging saban/kelly/spurrier on their very short terms (or just trolling bama fans), then you'd look at similar periods of time by other coaches, i.e. their first 2-3 years ... the eagles were 12-20 the two years prior to kelly, who went 20-12 the next two ... in whose world is that a failure? ... the dolphins were 4-12 & fielded aj feeley and jay fiedler the year prior to saban taking over ... in whose world are those serviceable qbs? ... he went 9-7 his first year with gus frerotte, a 34 yo journeyman ... the deal for brees fell through and he had to rely on daunte culpepper, coming off a knee injury ... spurrier probably made the most mistakes, though working for snyder has been a blackhole for any coach ...
you mention jj ... why wasn't he as successful in miami as he was in dallas? ... players? ... young team/qb vs old team/qb? ...
most nfl coaches aren't that good, relative to the handful that are ... there's a myriad of reasons for failure in the nfl, much of it out of control of the coach ...
Posted on 12/19/16 at 5:20 pm to tiderider
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chip kelly was 20-14 his first two years in the nfl ... that's a very good record for anyone
He basically got final control of personnel decisions after one year.
He RELEASED DeSean Jackson after a 1,300-yard receiving season.
He traded LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso straight up. Stright. Up.
He got the NFL's leading rusher in 2014 in the biggest offseason signing of 2015. They dumped him in a 2016 4th round pick swap and now he's a Pro Bowler again.
Their first round picks in 2014 and 2015 were Marcus Smith (zero starts) and Nelson Aghalor.
He screwed all of that up. You can't defend him.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 5:25 pm to LandonC
Pete Carroll, Jimmy Johnson, Bill Walsh.....
Posted on 12/19/16 at 5:30 pm to lsutigers1992
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chip kelly was 20-14 his first two years in the nfl ... that's a very good record for anyone
He basically got final control of personnel decisions after one year.
He RELEASED DeSean Jackson after a 1,300-yard receiving season.
He traded LeSean McCoy for Kiko Alonso straight up. Stright. Up.
He got the NFL's leading rusher in 2014 in the biggest offseason signing of 2015. They dumped him in a 2016 4th round pick swap and now he's a Pro Bowler again.
Their first round picks in 2014 and 2015 were Marcus Smith (zero starts) and Nelson Aghalor.
He screwed all of that up. You can't defend him.
i'm not defending his personnel decisions after the first year ... can't and shouldn't ... but i attribute that to a quirky ego or some hidden tension he had with those players ... his first two years were 20-12 - you think that's a failure? ... yeah, he kind of screwed up the roster a touch ... and that's part of the coaching ability by which they are judged ... but there were some ego/personality conflicts there, that's obvious ... again, not defending his perspective, but his 2 year record is not one of failure ...
Posted on 12/19/16 at 5:46 pm to tiderider
He could have gotten SOMETHING for Jackson. You can't let it get personal, swing your dick around and cut him, and then let him sign with a rival that is a playoff contender and you're not.
And dumping the top workhorse RB this side of Adrian Peterson for one of "his boys" from Oregon?
That's what I was talking about with a lack of understanding the culture. You can't just dump your top two assets for pennies on the dollar just because they don't buy your Napoleon act. I'm not defending DeSean Jackson. I hate his showboating. But bench or deactivate him until he gets with the program or get what you can. If you can't get a pick in the first three rounds for DeSean Jackson's career year, you're incompetent.
And dumping the top workhorse RB this side of Adrian Peterson for one of "his boys" from Oregon?
That's what I was talking about with a lack of understanding the culture. You can't just dump your top two assets for pennies on the dollar just because they don't buy your Napoleon act. I'm not defending DeSean Jackson. I hate his showboating. But bench or deactivate him until he gets with the program or get what you can. If you can't get a pick in the first three rounds for DeSean Jackson's career year, you're incompetent.
Posted on 12/19/16 at 7:32 pm to LandonC
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Pete Carroll was a 2 time NFL coach before coming to USC so he doesn't count and Harbaugh played/worked in the NFL before coming to College
when you're done setting up the goalposts let us know and we'll chime in
Posted on 12/19/16 at 10:30 pm to LandonC
Saban didn't exactly suck at Miami. But whatever, carry on.
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