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re: Who's more important to the Patriots: Brady or Belichick?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:09 pm to cas4t
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:09 pm to cas4t
you sell one short as if that takes away the greatness of the other
they're both all time greats, and that's why they're the most successful team in the super bowl era...6 super bowl appearances in 14 years...4 titles...you'll never see another run like this again.
the common factor for all of those teams: belichick AND brady
they're both all time greats, and that's why they're the most successful team in the super bowl era...6 super bowl appearances in 14 years...4 titles...you'll never see another run like this again.
the common factor for all of those teams: belichick AND brady
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:09 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
Pats went 11-5 without Brady in 2008
this is a fair point IMO
it's worth noting that Moss was on this team as well. Although I don't remember his #s
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:10 pm to cas4t
7 fewer games than they won in 07.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:10 pm to cas4t
quote:so we can only measure how good a coach is if he doesn't have good players?
it's worth noting that Moss was on this team as well.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:11 pm to cas4t
I say Belichick because I think the way they've recycled coordinators and players on the defensive side and remained effective is incredibly impressive. They've done that on offense too, but I know he's a defensive guy and Brady could be the one responsible for the offensive success.
The way players on both sides of the ball buy into the Patriot mindset is also incredibly impressive. They eat up everything Belichick preaches, even guys who were trouble players elsewhere.
Both are in the elite class at their respective spots though all time.
The way players on both sides of the ball buy into the Patriot mindset is also incredibly impressive. They eat up everything Belichick preaches, even guys who were trouble players elsewhere.
Both are in the elite class at their respective spots though all time.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:11 pm to DelU249
quote:
they're both all time greats, and that's why they're the most successful team in the super bowl era...6 super bowl appearances in 14 years...4 titles...you'll never see another run like this again.
That's what I'm saying
I just thought we'd skip all the idiots that will tear down one or the other to make their point and exaggerate to the point of insanity and just end up where these threads always end up which is this point right here
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:11 pm to DelU249
I completely agree and it may seem that I'm doscounting Belichick, but I'm not trying to. I just saw a few posts that Brady wouldn't have accomplished this and that had it not been for this and that. But I distinctly remember the turnaround in 2001 and think that Belichick is very lucky that Bledsoe went down. The opening loss to a bad Cincy team was not setting them up for a very good year.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:12 pm to Pilot Tiger
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so we can only measure how good a coach is if he doesn't have good players?
No. Not at all. But surely Cassell's success can be attributed to having one of tGOAT WRs of all time to throw it to, no?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:14 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
I just thought we'd skip all the idiots that will tear down one or the other to make their point and exaggerate to the point of insanity and just end up where these threads always end up which is this point right here
some of us are actually talking through the OP. Not sure anyone is tearing down anyone. I'm just implying that if Brady doesn't step in after Bledsoe goes down, we may not be talking about the Patriots in the same manner we are today. Which goes right along with my point in the OP.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:14 pm to Korin
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7 fewer games than they won in 07.
Come on man
Holding them to the 07 patriots standard isn't fair.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:15 pm to cas4t
And I answered. Belichick is more important.
Its not close IMO. Belichick brought Cassel to 11-5 and has continued great success despite a revolving door of players in NE on both sides of the ball.
Its the Belichick system and it happens to be a perfect fit for Brady. Brady is an all-time great QB, but there are players like Marino that are all time great QBs that didn't have the success because he didn't have the coach.
Its not close IMO. Belichick brought Cassel to 11-5 and has continued great success despite a revolving door of players in NE on both sides of the ball.
Its the Belichick system and it happens to be a perfect fit for Brady. Brady is an all-time great QB, but there are players like Marino that are all time great QBs that didn't have the success because he didn't have the coach.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:15 pm to cas4t
Brady was a total game manager in 01 though. He was clutch as shite and important for them but he was not slinging it around 40 times a game. That championship was without a doubt BB's best coaching job IMO. They were salty as frick on defense that year
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:16 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Well, Hernandez was murdering people while under Belichick
but I see what you're saying and agree. But I don't think we'd be talking about Belichick in the way we do now had Tom not took over the job in 2001.
but I see what you're saying and agree. But I don't think we'd be talking about Belichick in the way we do now had Tom not took over the job in 2001.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:16 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Marino that are all time great QBs that didn't have the success because he didn't have the coach.
You might want to google who Don Shula is
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:16 pm to cas4t
I see you mentioning the browns era, and I'm not going to stop until you go buy the episode from a football life about the browns under belichick
AND
the two part episode where they had exclusive access to him for the 09 season
you will see him from an entirely new perspective, for around 6 bucks
AND
the two part episode where they had exclusive access to him for the 09 season
you will see him from an entirely new perspective, for around 6 bucks
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:17 pm to Socratics
quote:
Come on man
Holding them to the 07 patriots standard isn't fair
yes, because Tom Brady was injured!
eta I lol'd, but I'm serious.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:17 pm to DelU249
Did I just see Fox pimp an NFL product?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:18 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:
but there are players like Marino that are all time great QBs that didn't have the success because he didn't have the coach.
are you fricking kidding me
seriously, I like you. We get along. But do some research.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:18 pm to wildtigercat93
I actually think don shula is a jealous prick
It's been really disappointing to hear what he's had to say since "spygate" in 07...I hope belichick breaks his record
and in the salary cap era, it will be so much more impressive
It's been really disappointing to hear what he's had to say since "spygate" in 07...I hope belichick breaks his record
and in the salary cap era, it will be so much more impressive
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:19 pm to cas4t
quote:
Pats went 11-5 without Brady in 2008
And went 16-0 the year before with Brady. The '07 and '08 Patriots were very, and I mean VERY, talented teams.
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