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re: Who's more important to the Patriots: Brady or Belichick?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:45 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:45 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I would love to see how that first meeting between Belichick and Moss went down
He worships Belichick now. Remember his comments after he left the Patriots? Belichick gets everyone to buy into his system. Its crazy.
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:48 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I would love to see how that first meeting between Belichick and Moss went down
I bet Belicheck took his shirt off and told moss to fight him
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:54 pm to TheCaterpillar
and ultimately that is what makes him great
I know it sounds like a lame business management course cliché, but the single most important aspect of group success is communication
I know it sounds like a lame business management course cliché, but the single most important aspect of group success is communication
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:55 pm to wildtigercat93
I would bet it was a lot like his conversation with revis
you're the best x, and you have been since you came into this league. Nothing but time will ever change that fact, but you're not a champion, and people don't give a shite how great you are if you're not a champion
you're the best x, and you have been since you came into this league. Nothing but time will ever change that fact, but you're not a champion, and people don't give a shite how great you are if you're not a champion
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:58 pm to DelU249
I don't think he had to do much work on Revis
Revis was interested in being a patriot even back to his jet days and he was always a silent let the field do the talking guy for the most part. Pats were probably his first call whenever the Bucs cut him
Revis was interested in being a patriot even back to his jet days and he was always a silent let the field do the talking guy for the most part. Pats were probably his first call whenever the Bucs cut him
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:00 pm to wildtigercat93
All I know is Revis was a lot of talk before this season...Whether he was humbled getting his arse beat in zone last year and/or he was belichick'd
I didn't hear any talk about being the best corner, I didn't hear squat. I didn't even hear effusive praise from his coach
Rex Ryan is a lot of talk, oh he's the best corner, blah blah blah, but winning is what matters
now he's a champion
I didn't hear any talk about being the best corner, I didn't hear squat. I didn't even hear effusive praise from his coach
Rex Ryan is a lot of talk, oh he's the best corner, blah blah blah, but winning is what matters
now he's a champion
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:05 pm to DelU249
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Whether he was humbled getting his arse beat in zone last year
He was the #1 rated cover corner in that zone
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I didn't hear any talk about being the best corner, I didn't hear squat. I didn't even hear effusive praise from his coach
Again he never was that outlandish of a guy like that. Rex Ryan was but he was no Sherman off the field.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:13 pm to wildtigercat93
Yeah I agree. Revis has never been some ridiculous media magnet like Sherman, Moss, etc.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:16 pm to wildtigercat93
he may have been, but I saw him beat routinely in the second half of the season.
you didn't hear shite from him all year, and when pressed about the offseason, he didn't even want to discuss it.
he was every bit the diva before he was a patriot
ironically, I think his contributions are the most overlooked...those 2 super bowl losses, there wasn't an elite cover corner. They never really replaced ty law after he got old. Samuel was average to above average, but when belichick has a buff secondary he reels in lombardis
browner and revis shut shite down last night. The only completion revis gave up was a 3 yard TD, and we all saw the only reason Baldwin got open was because the ref picked revis.
quote:twitter wars and obsessed with what others were getting paid, no matter what, as soon as someone inked a new deal, he demanded a new one no matter how fresh the ink was...all in the service of being recognized as the best cornerback.
Again he never was that outlandish of a guy like that.
you didn't hear shite from him all year, and when pressed about the offseason, he didn't even want to discuss it.
he was every bit the diva before he was a patriot
ironically, I think his contributions are the most overlooked...those 2 super bowl losses, there wasn't an elite cover corner. They never really replaced ty law after he got old. Samuel was average to above average, but when belichick has a buff secondary he reels in lombardis
browner and revis shut shite down last night. The only completion revis gave up was a 3 yard TD, and we all saw the only reason Baldwin got open was because the ref picked revis.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:18 pm to DelU249
if not for some 6'5 receiver beating nickel and dime corners, Wilson's game would have been dreadful...and it wasn't good with those two chunk plays
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:19 pm to DelU249
Lockdown secondary does so much for a defense. Free's up safeties, linebackers, etc. to pass rush and play the run aggressively. Huge cog to Chavis' success.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:24 pm to TheCaterpillar
The 2004 superbowl, belichick had troy brown, their WR, playing like a pro bowl cornerback
it was just awesome.
didn't randall gay contribute big time as an UDFA in 2004? I can't remember if he got to play all that much
it was just awesome.
didn't randall gay contribute big time as an UDFA in 2004? I can't remember if he got to play all that much
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:49 pm to DelU249
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didn't randall gay contribute big time as an UDFA in 2004? I can't remember if he got to play all that much
Gay played in 15 regular-season games in that 2004 rookie season, starting 9 of them. Gay also started all 3 post-season games, including the Super Bowl game, that season.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:52 pm to cas4t
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when Bledsoe went down in the second game of the regular season.
A lot of people don't realize how serious that injury was to Bledsoe, particularly in the first 24 hours.
"Belichick said doctors had informed him that Bledsoe, who reportedly found it difficult to breathe normally in the locker room after the game, had had a tube inserted in his chest to drain blood from his torso yesterday morning."
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:58 pm to cas4t
I'm indifferent one way or the other, but this a fact: Belichick is the last coach to win a playoff game for the Cleveland Browns.
That's pretty mind-blowing in and of itself.
That's pretty mind-blowing in and of itself.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 3:02 pm to cas4t
Brady missed 2008 due to injury and the Patriots didn't miss a beat. That tells you who's important.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 3:03 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Belichick gets everyone to buy into his system.
It's weird to me that Belichick has this reputation in the media and among fans for being a dictatorial screamer a la Saban, but that's simply not true. In all of the candid camera and mic'd up stuff I've seen, he's pretty funny and engaging at practice, and former players have said as much in interviews.
You'll never see a former player bash him -- Heath Evans and Willie McGinest were on Dave Dameshek's podcast a few weeks ago talking about how they love the guy and how everyone who plays for him feels the same way.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 3:05 pm to trackfan
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Brady missed 2008 due to injury and the Patriots didn't miss a beat. That tells you who's important.
The Patriots were undefeated and playoff competitors in 2007 with Brady; 11-5 and out of playoff contention in 2008 without him. The '07 and '08 teams were almost identical, save one of them had Matt Cassel as their starting QB.
Obviously Brady is a little important.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 3:08 pm to trackfan
yeah, it tells me brady is important
there's a big difference between winning 16 games and winning 11...big difference between winning 2 playoff games and not being in the playoffs...big difference from losing in the super bowl due to a freak/fluke catch and sitting at home chowing down on dip.
there's a big difference between winning 16 games and winning 11...big difference between winning 2 playoff games and not being in the playoffs...big difference from losing in the super bowl due to a freak/fluke catch and sitting at home chowing down on dip.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 3:23 pm to RollTide1987
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The Patriots were undefeated and playoff competitors in 2007 with Brady; 11-5 and out of playoff contention in 2008 without him. The '07 and '08 teams were almost identical, save one of them had Matt Cassel as their starting QB.
Obviously Brady is a little important.
The Patriots won 12 games in 2006, 16 in 2007, 11 in 2008 and 12 in 2009. Obviously 2007 was an outlier. Now compare the Patriots without Brady to the Colts without Manning in 2011, and notice the difference.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 3:35 pm
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