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re: Who are the sleeping giants in college basketball?
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:26 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:26 am to ProjectP2294
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Basketball recruiting doesn't follow the same geography that football recruiting does. Kids will go anywhere.
I know for a period of time some of the best players from the state of Ohio went to Ohio St. That does those seem like an outlier from what is reality though.
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:28 am to Govt Tide
I'd also had Vanderbilt as a potential sleeping giant type program.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:36 am to Papa Purple and Gold
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:39 am to ProjectP2294
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I don't think there is really such a thing in basketball. Pretty much any high major, and a lot of mid majors could potentially be very good basketball schools if they got the right coach.
that's because it doesnt exist in basketball. basketball recruits nationwide. sure it helps when kansas gets a guy like perry ellis who is actually from kansas (example since i am familiar), but that's rare as hell for us. guys from KC matter a little too.
these great programs like kansas, kentucky, unc, duke, etc... dont give a shite where a recruit is from. it matters slightly like i said, but is pretty much irrelevant. kansas' top recruit is from canada/wv, duke's is from chicago, kentucky's is from texas.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:42 am to Papa Purple and Gold
There's a good deal of Texas talent that seems to get raided by far away powers like Kentucky, Duke and Arizona. Baylor was starting to do a good job of keeping it home but if any school can do it (i.e. Texas) they would become a major power
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:50 am to lowspark12
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very true... but football recruiting is moving that way... it becomes more nation-wide every year.
It is, but the numbers will always keep it more local focused.
I made a lengthy post on the SECRB about QB recruiting, which is evolving to be more like basketball recruiting in terms of geography.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:51 am to rockchlkjayhku11
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that's because it doesnt exist in basketball. basketball recruits nationwide. sure it helps when kansas gets a guy like perry ellis who is actually from kansas (example since i am familiar), but that's rare as hell for us. guys from KC matter a little too.
these great programs like kansas, kentucky, unc, duke, etc... dont give a shite where a recruit is from. it matters slightly like i said, but is pretty much irrelevant. kansas' top recruit is from canada/wv, duke's is from chicago, kentucky's is from texas.
All you did was regurgitate a point I already made in my post.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:53 am to Papa Purple and Gold
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Posted on 5/20/13 at 9:59 am to ProjectP2294
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It is, but the numbers will always keep it more local focused.
I made a lengthy post on the SECRB about QB recruiting, which is evolving to be more like basketball recruiting in terms of geography.
two good points. the volume a program needs to sign in football will always keep most scholarships somewhat local... but with the elite guys, things will continue to grow (QB is a good example).
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:00 am to ProjectP2294
yeah because i agreed with it
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:02 am to Govt Tide
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LSU and Georgia Tech are the only schools on this list that really qualify as "sleeping giants". The other schools have very average at best basketball histories. I don't know why Georgia and USC continually get brought up as these incredibly good basketball jobs anyway. Both schools care less about basketball than nearly every team in their respective conferences and they've practically never done anything in the sport. Georgia went to a Final 4 and had Dominique Wilkins but other than that they literally have one of the worst basketball histories in the SEC.
I don't think you know what a sleeping giant is. If UGA would care about basketball and hire a legit coach to bring in some of the state talent they could be competing with UK and UF in the SEC.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:29 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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I don't think you know what a sleeping giant is. If UGA would care about basketball and hire a legit coach to bring in some of the state talent they could be competing with UK and UF in the SEC.
A sleeping giant implies that the school has had sustained success at points in its history but has been down or "asleep". Arkansas, LSU, Tennessee, and Alabama are much bigger sleeping giants in the SEC than Georgia.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:36 am to Baloo
quote:#6 Seed in 2011 Tourney as well as #3 ranked recruiting class in '11. Not too sleepy. Maybe on the upswing.
St. John's. Why the hell can't a team in NYC find five guys who can play hoops at an elite level is beyond me. Same with DePaul and Chicago.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:38 am to Govt Tide
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A sleeping giant implies that the school has had sustained success at points in its history but has been down or "asleep"
Strange, I think most people associate it with a program that has the capability but hasn't tapped into it's resources yet.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:45 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Yeah, but at when do you consider them a crappy program instead of a sleeping giant? If a school hasn't had any success at all outside of maybe a flash in the pan season or two then they aren't a sleeping giant. They're just a bad program.
This post was edited on 5/20/13 at 10:47 am
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:47 am to Govt Tide
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If a school hasn't had any success at all outside of maybe a flash in the pan season or two then they aren't a sleeping giant they're just a bad program.
This is Rutgers in football, but with the talent pool in Jersey and the flood of Big 10 money about to hit them, it's hard to argue against them being a sleeping giant. The two descriptions are not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:51 am to Papa Purple and Gold
I'll throw out South Carolina. We were pretty good back in the ACC days and a lot of our older fans still really care about having a good program. We have one of the finest arenas in the country and now a great coach. With our football program doing what not many thought possible, I don't see why the basketball program can't do the same. The SEC is one of the weaker conferences as a whole so we need to take advantage and get out of the cellar now, while we can.
Posted on 5/20/13 at 10:53 am to Porter Osborne Jr
Recruiting is a huge difference between football and basketball. The #1 recruit in football knows he is going to a particular school for at least 3 years. Therefore, he is more likely to stay closer to home for a longer stretch. Meanwhile, the #1 recruit in basketball knows he'll probably only be in college for a year. That means he is more willing to travel away from home knowing he won't be gone from home all that long.
Plus, in basketball, with smaller rosters and fewer positions, its easier to convince a kid to leave home by offering him the chance to compete for a national title, get noticed by scouts, get national exposure and be the man if you are from out of state.
For example, a top football recruit from ATL is likely to stay closer to home at UGA, Alabama, etc over going further away. But, a top basketball recruit from ATL is more likely to head to a Kansas, UNC or Kentucky rather than stay close to home.
Plus, in basketball, with smaller rosters and fewer positions, its easier to convince a kid to leave home by offering him the chance to compete for a national title, get noticed by scouts, get national exposure and be the man if you are from out of state.
For example, a top football recruit from ATL is likely to stay closer to home at UGA, Alabama, etc over going further away. But, a top basketball recruit from ATL is more likely to head to a Kansas, UNC or Kentucky rather than stay close to home.
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