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re: Who actually likes “travel ball”
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:27 am to lsu777
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:27 am to lsu777
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should have only been able to throw couple innings each game but still its such bullshite. watched a 10 year old last year throw 110 pitch 6 inning game all for a AA tournament. i was so fricking pissed, kids elbow was dropping, velo down like 15-20%....just straight not looking out for the kid by the coaches. total bullshite.
Someone threw a kid 4 innings and 80 pitches against us this past weekend
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Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:32 am to Prominentwon
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Someone threw a kid 4 innings and 80 pitches against us this past weekend
this late in the season, so long as he isnt dropping in velo...thats not tooooo crazy. but this is why i hate the inning rule
did the kid pitch the day before? is 80 a lot for that particular kid? was his velo way down(this is why the gun is important despite what many here will tell you and why you should have the gun out at almost all times), how many innings did he throw last weekend? etc etc
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:39 am to lsu777
what's the latest on off season pitching development? How often to throw? How much? Add what level effort?
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:49 am to deathvalleytiger10
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what's the latest on off season pitching development? How often to throw? How much? Add what level effort?
man thats all individual based on number of pitches thrown through the year, current development compared to peers etc
if you want to email me you can but i dont feel comfortable giving a blanket statement
but whatever you do, make sure it includes some form of on ramp. cant go 0 or even 50% to 100% right off the bat.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 11:56 am to lsu777
I agree. Depends on the kid and how much he's thrown.
My son pitched quite a bit. I shut him down for 2 Months and then we on ramp in August for the Fall.
Early in spring after on ramp we limit our kids to 30 or so pitches first couple weekends and pitch a lot of kids. By March the main pitchers are good for 50 to 60 if they aren't showing a drop. By mid April they can go 75
My son pitched quite a bit. I shut him down for 2 Months and then we on ramp in August for the Fall.
Early in spring after on ramp we limit our kids to 30 or so pitches first couple weekends and pitch a lot of kids. By March the main pitchers are good for 50 to 60 if they aren't showing a drop. By mid April they can go 75
Posted on 5/22/23 at 12:05 pm to lsu777
He threw 36 pitches Saturday.
So all in all, 116 pitches in 5.1 innings
But it’s AA, so you have an idea about control at this point for most kids.
So all in all, 116 pitches in 5.1 innings
But it’s AA, so you have an idea about control at this point for most kids.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 12:08 pm to Prominentwon
PG has a 100 pitch max for tournament per kid. If he gets more than 9 outs on Sat he can't pitch Sunday. 75 max per day.
Is there a pitch limit in the tourny you played in?
Is there a pitch limit in the tourny you played in?
Posted on 5/22/23 at 12:13 pm to Tiger Ryno
USSSA. I’m not sure on the innings rule. My kid pitches 1-2 innings per tourney. He catches. Doesn’t pitch much. (Still a lot of tax on his arm catching)
Posted on 5/22/23 at 12:23 pm to Tiger Ryno
Most of the tournaments my guys play in is -
35 is your Saturday limit if you want to be available on Sunday.
I think 85 is the max for 12U.
Most teams are really trying to split their Saturday pool play games. Meaning - they'll throw 2 of their top 3 pitchers in 1 of the games to try and win it. Keep them under 35 limit.
In the other game, they'll throw their other arms just to get through it.
Then for their 1st game on Sunday's (depending on who they're playing) I think most teams will try to win that game with their #2 or #3 pitcher.
The semifinals are pitched by the #1. You gotta win that game to get to the championship game.
Usually, the best, most competitive game is that semifinal game. Most teams are throwing their Aces.
If you win and get to the Championship game - that's usually your 5th game of the weekend and most of the time, you're piecing it together in order to get through it.
35 is your Saturday limit if you want to be available on Sunday.
I think 85 is the max for 12U.
Most teams are really trying to split their Saturday pool play games. Meaning - they'll throw 2 of their top 3 pitchers in 1 of the games to try and win it. Keep them under 35 limit.
In the other game, they'll throw their other arms just to get through it.
Then for their 1st game on Sunday's (depending on who they're playing) I think most teams will try to win that game with their #2 or #3 pitcher.
The semifinals are pitched by the #1. You gotta win that game to get to the championship game.
Usually, the best, most competitive game is that semifinal game. Most teams are throwing their Aces.
If you win and get to the Championship game - that's usually your 5th game of the weekend and most of the time, you're piecing it together in order to get through it.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/22/23 at 2:03 pm to wheelz007
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He threw 36 pitches Saturday.
So all in all, 116 pitches in 5.1 innings
But it’s AA, so you have an idea about control at this point for most kids.
my personal opinion is that prolly a little much for a 10 year old but he may be fine. we try to limit under 90 if at all possible but in general we try to limit to 1 day and no more than 65 limit. not always possible though especially bigger.
in the big tournies what happens is we split 2 innings each for pool play games between 6 pitchers. if we are up big, we limit it to 1 or none of those 6.
for bracket play- if you are going strong and velo hasnt dropped until close to pitch limit. if we are playing usssa, pitch limit is still in place for our team, no questions asked.
we had a new parent ask about that as start of year and the coach straight up told her...look im doing what i got to do to protect your kid, i dont care if we never win another tournament and that the only ring that matters is the HS one and you dont get there by not following the pitching limits.
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Most of the tournaments my guys play in is -
35 is your Saturday limit if you want to be available on Sunday.
I think 85 is the max for 12U.
Most teams are really trying to split their Saturday pool play games. Meaning - they'll throw 2 of their top 3 pitchers in 1 of the games to try and win it. Keep them under 35 limit.
In the other game, they'll throw their other arms just to get through it.
Then for their 1st game on Sunday's (depending on who they're playing) I think most teams will try to win that game with their #2 or #3 pitcher.
The semifinals are pitched by the #1. You gotta win that game to get to the championship game.
Usually, the best, most competitive game is that semifinal game. Most teams are throwing their Aces.
If you win and get to the Championship game - that's usually your 5th game of the weekend and most of the time, you're piecing it together in order to get through it.
yea this is similar. usually semis finals is best pitcher. we have tried the save the pitcher thing and bites us in the arse every time.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 11:58 am to lsu777
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dunno how many times i have to say it...but these kids play other sports. for 90% of teams, travel ball is over by end of june, same as all stars was for those growing up in the 90s. same as little league.
From my experience it is basically an extended spring season and extended fall season so you have a baseball commitment for the majority of the year. There is only so many things a kid (and really a parent) can participate in. I also will say there is definitely levels of “travel” ball.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:05 pm to STEVED00
Most of our kids play football in the Fall. Our Fall baseball consists of 2 practices per week and we play in a double header league (8 total games on Sundays only) and end of season tourney.
Spring we crank up late Feb and end 1st weekend of June.
Many of our boys play in a winter rec basketball league in Dec/Jan/Feb.
Spring we crank up late Feb and end 1st weekend of June.
Many of our boys play in a winter rec basketball league in Dec/Jan/Feb.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 12:14 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Most of our kids play football in the Fall. Our Fall baseball consists of 2 practices per week and we play in a double header league (8 total games on Sundays only) and end of season tourney.
Spring we crank up late Feb and end 1st weekend of June.
yep, all of our kids play football with it being split with some in flag some in tackle. I might put together full flag team this year with whole team if they would like.
we do 2 practices a week with about 30-45 min being dedicated to strength work and everything is 100% fundamentals and things like long toss and bat speed programs until nov. then we dial strength back to 15-20 min and focus more traditional team practice and have 1 tournament in early december.
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Many of our boys play in a winter rec basketball league in Dec/Jan/Feb.
about a third of our boys play basketball too.
so essentially spring is for baseball
fall is for baseball training and playing either football or fall soccer
winter- play basketball, just be mindful may overlap with baseball some.
dunno why this is so difficult to understand. even if you play 1 fall tournament a month, still got 3 other weekends could be playing other sports.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:06 pm to lsu777
There are clearly levels of “travel ball”. Sorry if I wasn’t clear or if I generalized it too much. The sports I view kids potentially missing out on are not the core baseball, football, basketball. It was more on the lines of things like golf, tennis, lacrosse that may be played in between the other main sports.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:11 pm to tss22h8
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This is about the parents whose retirement plan is their 12-year-old son's future baseball career. Or for the dad who needs to make new business contacts by meeting other kids' parents
Not it’s not. WTF is wrong with you! If you have no idea what you’re talking about, don’t post. Tournament ball must be played if you want to start on the HS team. No one is improving by playing one league game per week for 8 weeks.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:25 pm to STEVED00
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There are clearly levels of “travel ball”. Sorry if I wasn’t clear or if I generalized it too much. The sports I view kids potentially missing out on are not the core baseball, football, basketball. It was more on the lines of things like golf, tennis, lacrosse that may be played in between the other main sports.
in the south really isnt much more than i named. sure some teams play 3 fall tournaments and 12 spring but not much more than that, can still play other sports
as far as tennis goes...the kids that play that fall ito 1 of 2 catgories...all in or recreational. if you are all in you arent playing travel baseball as tennis is stupid time consuming. recreational you play on weekends off at the local country club
golf...go play on weekends you are off and all of july, aug, sept.
lacrosse...thats a niche as hell sport outside the eastern seaboard and some of the bigger cities.
i mean kids cant play ever damn sport. you pick 2 or 3 and roll with it. but in hs you essentially have to choose 2 and roll and honestly cant really do basketball and baseball as the seasons overlap too much unless you are a pitcher only.
i dunno why everyone gets so worked up over this. especially when it comes to travel baseball but dont say shite about kids only playing aau basketball or football only kids......nor do they care about kids that play tennis and golf only.
its almost like there is something about tournament baseball that triggers people. I have never in the last 2 decades seen a thread on the msb or OT complaining about kids playing only basketball. or kids playing too much damn golf or tennis. not a peep about kids being football only in HS....nothing but hand wringing over baseball though.
this wasnt directed at you SteveD. more the others int eh thread. everyone says its a scam....but play a lot of golf and its fine...hunt alot...all good....pretty much doing only 1 activity is fine so long as it isnt just baseball and its ironic since the tournament baseball kis almost all play other sports.
99.99% of the bitching comes from people who never played, or old and want the old system back or their kids dont play travel. never get threads from parents with kdis that went through it now in HS making threads or posting. all from outsiders.
:bow: :bow:Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:27 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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No one is improving by playing one league game per week for 8 weeks.
Disagree here. The additional practice makes the kids better.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:29 pm to lsu777
Ftr, I am not anti-travel ball. I just think some people think it’s necessary to play HS baseball. I just don’t think that’s the case.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 1:33 pm to STEVED00
It is for 99% of athletes outside of very small schools. If you are in a large district there are zero kids that didn't play select baseball by 10 or 11 years old. The only exceptions wpuld be your generational off the charts athletes. There are very few of them.
Posted on 5/23/23 at 2:05 pm to Tiger Ryno
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I just think some people think it’s necessary to play HS baseball. I just don’t think that’s the case.
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It is for 99% of athletes outside of very small schools. If you are in a large district there are zero kids that didn't play select baseball by 10 or 11 years old. The only exceptions wpuld be your generational off the charts athletes. There are very few of them.
this
i can tell you in south louisiana if you want to play for a team that competes for state championships...it absolutely is.
same around houston.
for instances...the 4 public schools that made it to the Louisiana semifinals were all 100% travel ball kids.
same with atleast 3 of the 4 in the Div select side(i dunno about pineville)
same with all 4 teams in the div 2 select
could go on down the list. bottom line is you arent making a quality HS team in louisiana without playing.
texas is different in some sports due to them having multiple fields to practice on, they can keep 25-30 freshman. in Louisiana, they are keeping 12 at most.
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