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re: Which receiving group is better? Denver vs. New Orleans
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:29 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:29 pm to Chad504boy
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nobody said how shitty they were.
Decker was a freak in college. I assumed he'd be a stud in the NFL. The last 2 seasons he has been. Yes, having Manning helps.
D. Thomas is arguably a top 5 receiver, and absolutely a top 10.
Welker is one of the greatest slot receivers of all time.
Anyone that knows shite about football knew how good these 3 would be this season.
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Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:30 pm to Dr. Shultz
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everyone was saying how shitty their WR core was when Tebow was there.
What?
It was pretty much accepted that Tebow ruined Decker's value (he had 270 yards and 4 TDs in 4 games before Tebow came in). And Thomas was a young 1st round pick with all the potential in the world but a QB that couldn't get the ball downfield.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:31 pm to Chad504boy
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what is your disagreement>?
This entire thread is a spinoff from the other thread. The argument has been that Brees would be miles better with Denver's receiving core and that the Saints receiving core is shite.
My argument is that while Denver has one of the best receiving cores in the game, Brees has arguably one of the current best receivers in the game in Graham. There are few players with the talent of Graham. While Denver has very good wide receivers, they have no one close IMO to the talent that Graham has.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:31 pm to Chad504boy
without peyton manning those guys are nothing... the saints guys have done more in the league
sure the saints might go WR but that's bc Moore is on his way out and Colston can't play forever
sure the saints might go WR but that's bc Moore is on his way out and Colston can't play forever
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:33 pm to Chad504boy
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I was saying for 14 years that this dude jerry rice is a bumb if you made him a brown.
He may be, but there isn't one team that I don't think Graham wouldn't do well on.
It isn't just his talent, its his physical features too. The guy was just bred to be a Future Hall of Famer.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:33 pm to Indfanfromcol
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While Denver has very good wide receivers, they have no one close IMO to the talent that Graham has.
Disagree. I think you're grossly underselling Demaryius Thomas. One of the very best WRs in the game and would be an absolute stud if he were the focal point of that (or any) offense.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:34 pm to TigerBait1127
Denver 10x over
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:35 pm to TigerBait1127
Jimmy Graham > J. Thomas
Colston < D. Thomas
Moore < Welker
Stills < Decker
Meachem > Andre Caldwell
The same can be said about the Saints WRs. I think that Welker guy did okay outside of Peyton.
Colston < D. Thomas
Moore < Welker
Stills < Decker
Meachem > Andre Caldwell
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without peyton manning those guys are nothing... the saints guys have done more in the league
The same can be said about the Saints WRs. I think that Welker guy did okay outside of Peyton.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:35 pm to 1ranter1
quote:This.
It was pretty much accepted that Tebow ruined Decker's value (he had 270 yards and 4 TDs in 4 games before Tebow came in). And Thomas was a young 1st round pick with all the potential in the world but a QB that couldn't get the ball downfield.
I don't think anyone thought that the WR group was horrible with Tebow. He just didn't have the tools to get them the ball.
I'd take Denver because of how unique each receiver is. Welker is your slot/quick out guy,Decker gives you crisp route running and deceptive speed,DT88 has breakaway speed/is physical nightmare for most CB's on the jump ball and J.Thomas is in the lucky position where many teams are more concerned with Welker than him [Only negative is that he hasn't proven to play through injury].
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:40 pm to JBeam
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Decker gives you crisp route running and deceptive speed
I see it.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:45 pm to Indfanfromcol
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The argument has been that Brees would be miles better with Denver's receiving core and that the Saints receiving core is shite.
You added in the hyperbole to make your argument seem stronger.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:49 pm to TigerBait1127
Graham is the best player out of the two groups.
I think Sproles and Welker are a wash with each other, both have a role and they are both excellent at it.
Thomas and Decker I would both put over Colston.
As a whole I think DEN is better but the mismatches that sproles/graham create make up for the lack of talent in the wr corps.
ETA this whole discussion is kinda dumb tho... DEN may have the best core in the league but if the decision was DEN or Calvin Johnson and co, I would prob take Calvin Johnson. You could maybe say the same for Graham.
I think Sproles and Welker are a wash with each other, both have a role and they are both excellent at it.
Thomas and Decker I would both put over Colston.
As a whole I think DEN is better but the mismatches that sproles/graham create make up for the lack of talent in the wr corps.
ETA this whole discussion is kinda dumb tho... DEN may have the best core in the league but if the decision was DEN or Calvin Johnson and co, I would prob take Calvin Johnson. You could maybe say the same for Graham.
This post was edited on 12/11/13 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 12/11/13 at 3:51 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
colston's been a beast for 8 years as a 7th round pick... all i remember d. thomas for is one touchdown catch in the playoffs from tebow
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:01 pm to chalmetteowl
Denver and it's not close
Jimmy
All 3 of Denver wideouts and J Thomas
Then all of Saints wideouts
Jimmy
All 3 of Denver wideouts and J Thomas
Then all of Saints wideouts
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:01 pm to chalmetteowl
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colston's been a beast for 8 years as a 7th round pick... all i remember d. thomas for is one touchdown catch in the playoffs from tebow
What is that supposed to mean? You think Colston is better than DThomas?
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:02 pm to JBeam
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I don't think anyone thought that the WR group was horrible with Tebow. He just didn't have the tools to get them the ball.
Thomas is only in his 4th year. McDaniels was fired in December, offense was a mess in 2010. 2011 was mostly Tebow and the last two years were Peyton. He was a first round pick but he wasn't exactly utilized his first two seasons.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:02 pm to hiltacular
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I think Sproles and Welker are a wash with each other, both have a role and they are both excellent at it.
that's a pretty bold statement.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:03 pm to hiltacular
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ETA this whole discussion is kinda dumb tho... DEN may have the best core in the league but if the decision was DEN or Calvin Johnson and co, I would prob take Calvin Johnson. You could maybe say the same for Graham.
A lot of people would normally agree with that, if not for the Manning vs Brees thread going on right now.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:04 pm to TigerBait1127
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that's a pretty bold statement.
No kidding.
Posted on 12/11/13 at 4:07 pm to TigerBait1127
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that's a pretty bold statement.
Sproles has 241 more all purpose yards than Welker and Sproles has played 1 less game.
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