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re: When did you give up on the Heisman?
Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:47 pm to pioneerbasketball
Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:47 pm to pioneerbasketball
Tyrann Mathieu not winning in '11. It's never been more clear who the best player in the country was. He had everything a defensive candidate could ask for. Great year by team, gamechanging plays as a defender, many quite amazing, big time punt returns, Heisman moments, a catchy nickname and cult following. No defensive player has a chance again.
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Posted on 11/13/23 at 5:56 pm to pioneerbasketball
Eric Crouch with his 1500 passing yds, 7 TDs and 10 Ints
He did run for 1100 yds with 18 TDs on 200+ attempts (5.5 yds/carry)
He did run for 1100 yds with 18 TDs on 200+ attempts (5.5 yds/carry)
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:13 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Rashan Salaam ran for 2000 yards for an 11-1 team who should have won? Of all the controversial Heismans, even in the 90s Torreta, Woodson, to single out Salaam and Eddie George
Kerry Collins and Ki-Jana Carter were better that year. Unfortunately, they took votes away from each other since they were on the same team.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:18 pm to concrete_tiger
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To be fair, Charles Woodson wasn't a bad choice. It's not like Mark Ingram or anything. Dude played almost 20 years in the league, is a Hall of Famer, and potentially one of the all-time greats on defense.
1997 was one of the most staked final fours ever - Manning, Woodson, and Randy Moss. Ryan Leaf too but we’ll forget about that.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:23 pm to mattz1122
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Eric Crouch with his 1500 passing yds, 7 TDs and 10 Ints
He did run for 1100 yds with 18 TDs on 200+ attempts (5.5 yds/carry)
Crouch over Grossman was hugely egregious.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:44 pm to BradBallard
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Kerry Collins and Ki-Jana Carter were better that year. Unfortunately, they took votes away from each other since they were on the same team.
Define better. Salaam had 500 more yards but also 100 more carries. Carter had a better ypc at an insane 7.8 but Salaam was 6.9 also incredible but more carries. Different eta but Collins had 21 TD vs 24 for Salaam and 23 for Carter. I can see an argument for either of the Penn St guys but to Salaam was undeserving is absurd. Especially considering Torreta was just 2 years before
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:58 pm to pioneerbasketball
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When did you give up on the Heisman?
When coach put me on the offensive line instead of QB.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:13 pm to Allthatfades
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When Charles Woodson beat out Peyton Manning. And I don’t even care for Manning. But that was just ESPN propping up and promoting Woodson relentlessly.
This. Woodson was good but the most overrated Heisman season ever.
Actually I thought Ryan Leaf should have won that year.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:14 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
I know why Peyton didn't win it. 
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:16 pm to concrete_tiger
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Dude played almost 20 years in the league, is a Hall of Famer, and potentially one of the all-time greats on defense
That has nothing to with his college career or his Heisman season.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:43 pm to pioneerbasketball
Hard to believe now but back in 1985 it was literally a 50/50 chance between Bo Jackson and Chuck Long (Iowa QB) and nobody had any clue who would win.
The TV network (ESPN, CBS???) came up with the smart idea of letting the fans cast an unofficial vote by calling a 1-900 number that charged 99 cents a minute.
My idiot father ran up a $100+ phone bill calling the hotline all day to vote for Bo thinking the "phone vote" would sway undecided voters.
Bo ended up winning the closest vote margin ever (to Dad's delight) and Mom pitched a fit when the phone bill came a few weeks later.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:57 pm to AUFANATL
That’s a great story. 
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:04 pm to pioneerbasketball
When Mark Ingram won
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:24 pm to PeteRose
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PeteRose
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I think Manning losing 4 times(2 blowouts) to Tennessee had something to do with it.
Stick to baseball Pete.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:31 pm to VermilionTiger
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When Mark Ingram won
Both Tebow and Colt McCoy shite the bed that final weekend, who else was there?
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:37 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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so basically the bar was raised (greatest season ever) if you're not a top media darling team.
That’s fair though. You’re talking about the best player out of thousands in FBS… if you’re not leading your team to a lot of wins that’s what it should take
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:50 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Both Tebow and Colt McCoy shite the bed that final weekend, who else was there?
Gerhart. Went for 200 and 3 TDs plus 33 yards receiving and threw a TD pass in a win against ND in his last game.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:53 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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Both Tebow and Colt McCoy shite the bed that final weekend, who else was there?
The best player in the country...
Posted on 11/13/23 at 10:38 pm to Allthatfades
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When Charles Woodson beat out Peyton Manning. And I don’t even care for Manning. But that was just ESPN propping up and promoting Woodson relentlessly.
I think that was mine as well, same basis.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 10:49 pm to PeteRose
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quote:When Charles Woodson beat out Peyton Manning. And I don’t even care for Manning.
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I think Manning losing 4 times(2 blowouts) to Tennessee had something to do with it.
JC they have some stupid people accessing the internet.
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