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re: What time do you consider "Modern College Football"
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:09 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:09 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I would go with 1890. That's when coaches were allowed to over-rule player/captains on substitutions.
Or, you could go with 1930. That's when hash marks were created so the ball did not have to be played one foot from the sideline after a tackle.
Or, you could go with 1930. That's when hash marks were created so the ball did not have to be played one foot from the sideline after a tackle.
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Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:15 pm to Jim Rockford
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The modern era started with the advent of two platoon football in the early sixties. It is a completely different game now, played by different types of athletes. Few players from that era could compete now, they wouldn't be big enough. Conversely, most modern players couldn't go sixty minutes while carrying the weight they carry.
I agree with this. Paul Dietzel and LSU were pretty much among the first innovators of this around the late 50s.
Has nothing really to do with division splitting or designations.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:19 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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It is a completely different game now, played by different types of athletes. Few players from that era could compete now,
Which is why it's not "modern college football" until teams were fully integrated. Has nothing to do with formations or platooning...has to do with access and opening up the sport to the best athletes.
Having an "all-white" national title team is some sort of historical joke if there were other teams playing at that time with a lot of African-American players on it.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:23 pm to crazy4lsu
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When scholarship limits were put in place.
Does anyone know when this is going into effect?
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:26 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
post integration and when you had separate units for offense and defense
which (integration anyway) functionally seem to have hit more universally around teh start of the 70s
I think Texas had the last all white team to win a NC
which (integration anyway) functionally seem to have hit more universally around teh start of the 70s
I think Texas had the last all white team to win a NC
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:27 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Seems like 1973 would be the most relevant due to the structural changes and also influence of integration
If that's the case:
Modern SEC Champions
Alabama - 11 (73, 74, 75, 77, 78, 79, 81, 89, 92, 99, 09)
Florida - 8 (91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 00, 06, 08)
Auburn - 6 (83, 88, 88, 89, 04, 10)
Georgia - 6 (76, 80, 81, 82, 02, 05)
LSU - 5 (86, 88, 01, 03, 07)
Tennessee - 5 (85, 89, 90, 97, 98)
Kentucky - 1 (76)
Modern SEC National Champions
Alabama - 5 (73, 78, 79, 92, 09)
Florida - 3 (96, 06, 08)
LSU - 2 (03, 07)
Auburn - 1 (10)
Georgia - 1 (81)
Tennessee - 1 (98)
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:27 pm to Zamoro10
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Having an "all-white" national title team is some sort of historical joke if there were other teams playing at that time with a lot of African-American players on it.
well would you consider the grambling, etc, teams of that time to be equal to, for example, 1958 LSU?
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:30 pm to rebeltider
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Modern SEC Champions
Alabama - 11 (73, 74, 75, 77, 78, 79, 81, 89, 92, 99, 09)
Florida - 8 (91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 00, 06, 08)
Auburn - 6 (83, 88, 88, 89, 04, 10)
Georgia - 6 (76, 80, 81, 82, 02, 05)
LSU - 5 (86, 88, 01, 03, 07)
Tennessee - 5 (85, 89, 90, 97, 98)
Kentucky - 1 (76)
Ole Miss - 1 (2003)
amirite??
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:36 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
When LSU gave Nick Saban 1.1 million a year to coach college football.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:37 pm to gizmoflak
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amirite??
You are not.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:38 pm to gizmoflak
Modern for me would be 1980. Schools were fully integrated, plus many of the other things listed in the thread.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:43 pm to rebeltider
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Modern SEC National Champions
Alabama - 5 (73, 78, 79, 92, 09)
Not to nit-pick but is this some joke? Notre Dame beat Bama in the Sugar and went undefeated!
Okay new modern definition, it can't be an era where there was still some voting before the bowl games - because then, like Alabama you could play an "all-white" SEC schedule and claim yourself the best.
History Lesson:
The New Orleans game matched two unbeaten teams, the Alabama Crimson Tide (11-0-0), ranked #1 by AP and UPI, and the Notre Dame Fighting Irish (10–0), ranked #3 by AP and #4 by UPI.
While both wire services ranked Alabama #1 at the end of the regular season, AP took another poll after the bowl games. By agreement with the American Football Coaches' Association, however, UPI bestowed its championship before the postseason bowl games. Thus, Alabama was crowned champion by UPI on December 4, 1973 [3]. UPI ranked Notre Dame #4. One coach had given the Irish a first place vote, compared to 21 for Alabama.
Back then it was a coach's cabal; and Bear Bryant was bigger than today's JoePa - so he got the votes.
In a game where the lead changed six times, Notre Dame won by a single point, 24–23, to claim the national championship.
This post was edited on 11/11/11 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:54 pm to Zamoro10
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Not to nit-pick but is this some joke? Notre Dame beat Bama in the Sugar and went undefeated!
Alabama claiming the 73 National Title is a huge joke.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:55 pm to Jim Rockford
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The spread isn't some revolutionary new formation. It's been around since its first incarnation as the Split T in the 1940's.
I dont think they were tossing the pigskin around 40 times a game back then. Also the technology that has been incorporated into the game certainly has made an impact.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 12:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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1980
Posted on 11/11/11 at 1:00 pm to Tiger Roux
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Modern for me would be 1980. Schools were fully integrated, plus many of the other things listed in the thread.
No way. Modern football has been around way longer than that. Id date it back to the 50's, post WWII. Just because the southern schools didnt integrate until much later doesnt mean "modern" football wasnt being played.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 1:18 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
1998 (start of bcs)
Posted on 11/11/11 at 1:42 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
I think late 1950's. The decline of Army and the northeastern schools as powers and the rise of the southeast and the west coast.
Posted on 11/11/11 at 2:54 pm to crazy4lsu
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When scholarship limits were put in place. Whenever that was.
Early '70s???
Posted on 11/11/11 at 3:09 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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Seems like 1973 would be the most relevant due to the structural changes and also influence of integration.
I use 69 to 73 as the transitional period - it's convenient for me, as an LSU fan, because that was Tommy Casanova, Jones, etc., and we had the 5 straight teams that won 9 games a season.
1973 seems as good as year as any - certainly teams were still running the option, but a pro-style passing game had percolated down to enough teams to call it - that, plus integration of the southern teams and the I/II/III change.
This post was edited on 11/11/11 at 3:19 pm
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