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re: What is a scenario(s) that keeps 13-0 Wisconsin out of the playoff?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:29 am to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:29 am to ReauxlTide222
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A 2 loss team who lost those games by a combined 40-84 score.
That's one. Who is the other?
Also, your math is off.
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:35 am to DisplacedBuckeye
The other one is also a 2 loss team.
And can you teach me to math?
And can you teach me to math?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:36 am to Chucktown_Badger
You said removed from any and all consideration. 
Also, 12-1 Clemson is above 13-0 Wisconsin on the totem pole.
Clemson and Notre Dame control their own destiny. Again, that's not who Wisconsin would be fighting for a spot against.
Also, 12-1 Clemson is above 13-0 Wisconsin on the totem pole.
Clemson and Notre Dame control their own destiny. Again, that's not who Wisconsin would be fighting for a spot against.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:39 am to ReauxlTide222
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The other one is also a 2 loss team.
Interesting...
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And can you teach me to math?
Yes.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:39 am to BayouBengals03
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You said removed from any and all consideration.
Also, 12-1 Clemson is above 13-0 Wisconsin on the totem pole.
Clemson and Notre Dame control their own destiny. Again, that's not who Wisconsin would be fighting for a spot against.
Ok, I should have qualified that if things end up the way this hypothetical sets it up Clemson should be out for their terrible loss, when you'd have another P5 team who passed every test.
I get who we're up against, it's just funny how all that allegedly matters is the ranked teams you've beaten, but when a ranked team gets beaten that doesn't count. Talk about circular logic.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:03 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I get who we're up against, it's just funny how all that allegedly matters is the ranked teams you've beaten, but when a ranked team gets beaten that doesn't count. Talk about circular logic
I think ranking teams based on their losses is a bad way to do it. It should matter, but not to the point where it defines your season. If you lost to a top 30 team or a top 60 team, I'm not going to take much from it. If you lose to Troy, that's another story.
Anyway, I know more about a team when looking at their wins and the quality of those wins. Wisconsin needs to bury their opponents if you want credit for beating average football teams.
The good news for Wisconsin is that the scenario where they're left out is unlikely, even though it exists. Winning out will probably be enough.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:22 pm to slackster
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It should matter, but not to the point where it defines your season. If you lost to a top 30 team or a top 60 team, I'm not going to take much from it.
You do understand that is a crazy way to look at things, yes? Basically you're saying that the highest ranked teams get the benefit either way. If you beat a highly ranked team you benefit from it, but if you lose to a highly ranked team, well, that's ok. Or shite, if you lose to a barely ranked or unranked team that's ok too. But the team that you lost to gets the benefit of beating you.
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Wisconsin needs to bury their opponents if you want credit for beating average football teams.
Case in point...you're saying that in order to get credit for beating average teams, you need to crush them, but if you lose to an average team I'm not going to hold it against you. It's absurd.
ETA: I'm not saying you are absurd, just that the talking heads seem to be advocating for that approach.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:55 pm to BayouBengals03
13-0 Georgia - SEC
12-1 Alabama
11-1 ND
12-1 UM - ACC
12-1 OU - Big 12
12-1 Wash - Pac 12
11-1 PnSt
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Garbage arse Wisconsin
12-1 Alabama
11-1 ND
12-1 UM - ACC
12-1 OU - Big 12
12-1 Wash - Pac 12
11-1 PnSt
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Garbage arse Wisconsin
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:56 pm to Mahootney
Penn State gonna get one of their losses vacated?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:00 pm to zzgobucky
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:00 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Case in point...you're saying that in order to get credit for beating average teams, you need to crush them, but if you lose to an average team I'm not going to hold it against you. It's absurd.
Yeah I was just thinking that.
You can't lose to a meh team and still say you no doubt deserve to be in the playoffs. It's ok to be in the conversation but the committee has a legitimate case against you. If your one loss is to a top 25 team, different story.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:09 pm to Mahootney
Football much?????
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:12 pm to BayouBengals03
I’m not positive at all that Notre Dame controls their own destiny.
It won’t all shake out this way, but 13-0 bama, 12-1 Georgia, 12-1 Clemson, 12-1 Oklahoma, and 13-0 Wisconsin would spell trouble for the Irish
It won’t all shake out this way, but 13-0 bama, 12-1 Georgia, 12-1 Clemson, 12-1 Oklahoma, and 13-0 Wisconsin would spell trouble for the Irish
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:16 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Yet if ND wins out they will have the best resume of all those other one loss teams except UGA.... and have a way better one than an unbeaten Wisky.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:17 pm to Mahootney
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12-1 UM - ACC
12-1 OU - Big 12
In that scenario I think OU is ranked ahead of Miami. OU would have wins over Ohio St, Oklahoma State, TCU, and whoever they beat in Big 12 championship game. Miami would only have 2 quality wins (Va Tech and the ACC title game vs Clemson).
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:18 pm to dukke v
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and have a way better one than an unbeaten Wisky.
should have thought about that when they lost
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:23 pm to dukke v
I think they would have a slightly better resume
But the committee would have to leave out two of 12-1 UGA who they lost to H2H at home, 12-1 defending champ and acc champ Clemson who will have an awesome resume, undefeated p5 champ Wisconsin, 12-1 big 12 champ (they are almost definitely out here)
But the committee would have to leave out two of 12-1 UGA who they lost to H2H at home, 12-1 defending champ and acc champ Clemson who will have an awesome resume, undefeated p5 champ Wisconsin, 12-1 big 12 champ (they are almost definitely out here)
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:25 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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I’m not positive at all that Notre Dame controls their own destiny.
It won’t all shake out this way, but 13-0 bama, 12-1 Georgia, 12-1 Clemson, 12-1 Oklahoma, and 13-0 Wisconsin would spell trouble for the Irish
ND doesn't control their own destiny. They need a little bit of help because if Georgia is 12-1 losing a close game vs Bama, I think Georgia would end up ranked ahead of ND thanks to the head to head win. 2 undefeated P5 champs would be in, a 1 loss Georgia would get in ahead of ND. And I think a 12-1 OU would be the 4th team in with that extra Big 12 championship game helping nudge them ahead.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:03 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Case in point...you're saying that in order to get credit for beating average teams, you need to crush them, but if you lose to an average team I'm not going to hold it against you. It's absurd. ETA: I'm not saying you are absurd, just that the talking heads seem to be advocating for that approach.
I'm going to hold a loss against you, but I'm not going to fret over how "good" a loss is nearly as much as I worry about your wins, if that makes sense. If you lose to Alabama or if you lose to South Florida, I'm not really going to take a ton a way from you, but beating those teams is a big difference.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:21 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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12-1 defending champ and acc champ Clemson who will have an awesome resume,
What exactly would Clemson's awesome resume consist of? (the fact that they're defending champs should be meaningless). They could potentially have a win over an undefeated Miami team in the ACC championship, Virginia Tech has 2 losses already (one from Clemson of course), Auburn has 2 losses already and likely will have at least one more (one loss is Clemson), and they'll have a horrendous loss to Syracuse.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 2:26 pm
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