re: Was West Virginia football "success" a product of the crappy Big East?

I tend to agree with you on some points but I do think playing a bunch of teams that no one on the east coast gives a shite about is going to wear on your program long term. Not sure what y'all can do about it, but I think it's a fairly obvious issue.

The Big East for all its faults provided local competition. When you walk in a bar in PA or VA the WVU game (football or hoops) was probably on because you were playing another local school. Today that tv is probably playing the ACC game instead. I think that sort of branding is one of the biggest problems for the Big 12.

Was Missouri's 5-7 year last year a product of the weak Big 12?

Again, most teams have ups and downs.

Texas A&M went 4-8 in 2008 and 6-7 in 2009. But they were able to gain footing.

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you are really clueless

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The answer is bill stewart's flawed method of recruiting. He never brought in a full class of 25 players and with typical retention rates with college kids you are lucky to have 15 ever see the field. So bringing in less than 25 just creates less depth.

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Its kind o funny that you call me "clueless" when you dont really understand how recruiting works and how a program can balance out a thin class one year with EEs, JUCOs and transfers in another.

You can be mad at me all you want brother. WVU was ill prepared to play in a real football conference. Thats a fact regardless of how you want to spin it or how many excuses you try and come up with.

The Big 12 is weaker for losing aTm and Mizzou and replacing them with WVU and TCU.

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Its kind o funny that you call me "clueless" when you dont really understand how recruiting works and how a program can balance out a thin class one year with EEs and transfers in another.

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um i know exactly how it works. It wasn't just one thin class it was fricking 3 years of it. You have no idea what you are talking about in terms of wvu football.

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You can be mad at me all you want brother. WVU was ill prepared to play in a real football conference. Thats a fact regardless of how you want to spin it or how many excuses you try and come up with.

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id rather be in the Big12 all day over the shite storm the BE is now. We did not have the depth plain and simple. Growing pains will happen

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The Big 12 is weaker for losing aTm and Mizzou and replacing them with WVU and TCU.

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that is to be seen. Mizzou is having an amazing year but the real juggernaut is A&M

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ool like I said I got no problems with WVU I was just going on the assumption of the geographic issues and you not playing your traditional games I really hope y'all do well

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I do as well. i really dont have any ill will towards WVU. The reality check for some of their vocal fans who blasted Mizzou during the realignment has been refreshing though.

WVU is at present a bottom feeder in the Big 12 along with TCU while aTm and Mizzou are in the BCS top 11 in an unquestionably harder conference.

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Cool like I said I got no problems with WVU I was just going on the assumption of the geographic issues and you not playing your traditional games I really hope y'all do well

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the school had a unique situation unlike most

state population less than 2 million

but its an hour from pittsbugh, four from dc/bmore, three from cleveland, 6 from nyc/nj.

Its always relied heavy on out of state players b/c its had too. The florida pipeline is 30 years old.

It seems like a lot of WVU fans want to blame Stew, but his last season was in 2010. It wasn't like he left the cupboard bare they had the top WR in last year's draft and the 2 QB taken.


I think the travel and the constant grind of playing BCS teams each week was a little more than what Dana was ready for. Losing 37-0 to Maryland has nothing to do with the Big 12.

I guess if you spend a lot of time online arguing with hypoglycemic 12yr olds about realignment you wouldn't get a great impression.

Any WVU fans with neurons firing knew last year was going to be tough after losing a DC, and almost every starter upon entering the most explosive conference in cfb. Same for this year with offense, all the production is playing on Sundays with no proven starter at qb waiting in the wings.

I don't mean that because of sandvag, those are just the facts.

Truthfully I didn't think they belonged in either conference, but choice C was going down with the ship, so I understood despite the geography. And to answer the question, no. I won't argue about their path to the BCS being harder but once they got there they won all three.

They're not going to be in the hunt for the conf. every year, but every few? Sure. If anyone remembers the Big East was a very solid conference before the defections and WV was rarely out of it-and once every few years was making a run. As far as a d#ck measuring contest with Mizzou, I can say honestly that I've never given a sh#t about them one way or the other-but sure have seen a lot of rulers out from their fans.

Maybe I'm reading the wrong forum.

I've said it before but maybe the travel is a big disadvantage for WVU. The Big 12 needs a couple more teams east of the Mississippi and they should've added Louisville and Cincy when they had a chance. Well, they could probably still grab Cincy but not sure who else they could grab.

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Is it? I just looked at LSU '09 & '10 classes, LSU has 10 players still on the roster. 23 seems like a really good number of 4th & 5th year players.

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apples to oranges

due to terms of talent brought in. LSU brings in impact talent , while WVU for the most part has always had to develop it. LSU was gutted due to NFL level talent coming out early. WVU lacks the depth b/c these guys never saw the field

also the fact that 45 scollys and not the full 50 offered is bad enough