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re: VIDEO: Tony Stewart hits opposing driver; driver has died according to reports
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 8/10/14 at 11:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Right, but I'm not judging intent or reading a mind, I can't do those things. I'm looking at the video and going on that alone.
How do you conclude he didn't see him?
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Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:01 am to lsupride87
I don't think the other cars came as close to hitting him as some people think. I think 45 car says oh shite this guy pissed and on the track, let me avoid him by 10 ft instead of 5. TS says this dipshit gonna kick my car, I'm gonna make him eat dirt
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:07 am to Topwater Trout
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How do you conclude he didn't see him?
He's on the left side of a car, following an 8' high vehicle and the victim is in front and on right side of the other car in a dark suit, at night on a dirt track. What makes you think he could see him???
It's fairly common when one car avoids an accident at the last second the vehicle behind pays the price.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:29 am to TigeRoots
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Are you really holding on to this notion that he didn't se him?
What if... stay with me here... Tony was glancing at somewhere other than directly in front of him for the split second it took to hit him? You know, looking around, like good drivers do?
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:34 am to northshorebamaman
He obviously accelerated toward the ex-driver.
I've watched the video many times and really can't find any benefit of the doubt.
I've read that eyewitness reports say he slowed prior to the acceleration, but the video doesn't capture it.
I've watched the video many times and really can't find any benefit of the doubt.
I've read that eyewitness reports say he slowed prior to the acceleration, but the video doesn't capture it.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:41 am to matsuflex
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don't think the other cars came as close to hitting him as some people think. I think 45 car says oh shite this guy pissed and on the track, let me avoid him by 10 ft instead of 5.
Which is why the guy felt the need to jump back
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:42 am to wahoocs
Tony may have to spend a little time in the Big House for this one. A little karma for being such an a-hole over the course of his career.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 12:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He's on the left side of a car, following an 8' high vehicle and the victim is in front and on right side of the other car in a dark suit, at night on a dirt track.
So you are mind reading what Tony saw? Got it. There is no way you know what he did or did not see.
The fact that people on both sides of this can be adamant about their position indicates it is not clear cut. Yea, it is near impossible a prosecutor could get a conviction or would even be likely to press charges based on that video alone, but that just means there is sufficient doubt.
Only Tony may ever know what happened on that track. But the GoPro video, any statements made by Tony (unlikely), a longer or fuller video, or even a key witness could drastically change the perception of this incident.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:12 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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So you are mind reading what Tony saw? Got it. There is no way you know what he did or did not see.
Unless he had Xray vision, yes...there is.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
This is an ongoing investigation. Since you know what Tony saw, you should call the Ontario County Sheriff's office to offer your expert testimony: (585) 394-4560 or 1-877-267-1984
Posted on 8/11/14 at 1:23 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Since you know what Tony saw, you should call the Ontario County Sheriff's office to offer your expert testimony: (585) 394-4560 or 1-877-267-1984
I'm fairly confident their investigation will come to the same conclusion.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:06 am to wahoocs
One technique to avoid hitting an object in front of you is to floor peddle while turning into a 90% angle which could have been what TS was doing.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 2:46 am to TOKEN
Everybody who knows what Tony saw could use a little perspective.
Jac Haudenschild at Volusia Speedway Park: LINK
At the beginning you can see a drivers perspective seeing people.
At about the 1:30 mark you can see his perspective when there are cars in front of him.
Jac Haudenschild at Volusia Speedway Park: LINK
At the beginning you can see a drivers perspective seeing people.
At about the 1:30 mark you can see his perspective when there are cars in front of him.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 2:48 am
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:25 am to SprintFun
Interesting video.
Different lighting, different speeds, different circumstances... but from that GoPro's perspective, visibility isn't as poor as I thought it would be generally speaking. If you takeaway the driver's head blocking much of the right side, the field of visions is greater than I thought. Again, granted that is a camera's perspective, not an individual's.
Different lighting, different speeds, different circumstances... but from that GoPro's perspective, visibility isn't as poor as I thought it would be generally speaking. If you takeaway the driver's head blocking much of the right side, the field of visions is greater than I thought. Again, granted that is a camera's perspective, not an individual's.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 3:54 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
first impressions when watching something like this are pretty important and my first impression was Ward clearly walks/stands/confronts TS in front of TS car...thus, the last second 'oh shite i walked too far'
all of the rear car spinning bullshite...clearly TS rear got loose after he hit Ward.
if I'm in any kind of decision making process thru this...Ward fricked up and paid the price. TS probably didn't do him any favors.
all of the rear car spinning bullshite...clearly TS rear got loose after he hit Ward.
if I'm in any kind of decision making process thru this...Ward fricked up and paid the price. TS probably didn't do him any favors.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
but it's pretty odd that the other drivers had no issue avoiding him.. they also seem to slow down.. and was the track under a caution of any because of the wreck? and you know it's on his mind as he approaches that very location on the next lap..
and again why did tony drive towards the right.. even after hitting him instead of going away from the wreck scene.. idk.. to me it just seems like he was trying to show him up and possibly scare him and it went horribly wrong.
but of course none of this is really provable..
and on the other hand
i could also see this..
but again how odd is it that he's the one that just steam rolls him. so tragic.
and again why did tony drive towards the right.. even after hitting him instead of going away from the wreck scene.. idk.. to me it just seems like he was trying to show him up and possibly scare him and it went horribly wrong.
but of course none of this is really provable..
and on the other hand
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It's fairly common when one car avoids an accident at the last second the vehicle behind pays the price.
i could also see this..
but again how odd is it that he's the one that just steam rolls him. so tragic.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 4:32 am to SouljaBreauxTellEm
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it's pretty odd that the other drivers had no issue avoiding him
Except they DID have issues avoiding him.
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but again how odd is it that he's the one that just steam rolls him.
Ward was actively seeking out Stewart's car. Hence, his was the car he approached most aggressively.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 5:17 am to TbirdSpur2010
yeah that will be nice for them to use as defense.
i still just have hard to believing he didn't see him or was thinking to be more cautious on his return trip to the very area he caused a wreck.. and he made no attempt from what it appears to go a different route.
but i very much agree
also just curious if they were on a caution, is it 35mph max? i could be way wrong i admit i am an idiot to this knowledge.. but if so.. you'd think he could control his car at that pace.. even on a dirt track.. and was there a rev noise right before? again this is impossible to prove probably.. but again it just appears the man did not make any effort to move or slow down or be more cautious.. and i have a hardddd time believing he did not see him.. yes it's night but it's lit up.. and also he was walking on the track.. i would imagine he stood out from afar.. especially in front of his own wreck.
i still just have hard to believing he didn't see him or was thinking to be more cautious on his return trip to the very area he caused a wreck.. and he made no attempt from what it appears to go a different route.
but i very much agree
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Ward was actively seeking out Stewart's car. Hence, his was the car he approached most aggressively.
also just curious if they were on a caution, is it 35mph max? i could be way wrong i admit i am an idiot to this knowledge.. but if so.. you'd think he could control his car at that pace.. even on a dirt track.. and was there a rev noise right before? again this is impossible to prove probably.. but again it just appears the man did not make any effort to move or slow down or be more cautious.. and i have a hardddd time believing he did not see him.. yes it's night but it's lit up.. and also he was walking on the track.. i would imagine he stood out from afar.. especially in front of his own wreck.
This post was edited on 8/11/14 at 5:34 am
Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:09 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Different lighting, different speeds, different circumstances... but from that GoPro's perspective, visibility isn't as poor as I thought it would be generally speaking. If you takeaway the driver's head blocking much of the right side, the field of visions is greater than I thought. Again, granted that is a camera's perspective, not an individual's.
Right, but the camera isn't wearing a full faced helmet either.
Posted on 8/11/14 at 6:59 am to weagle99
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Right, but the camera isn't wearing a full faced helmet either.
Camera is in a fixed position and doesn't focus on movement like eyes do.
Is the op a cell phone video?
Even if it isn't we had no problem seeing that driver in a black suit at night...be stupid to think the drivers can't see better than a camera from across the track.
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