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re: USC really got screwed by the don't hit so hard rule
Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:18 am to TDawg1313
Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:18 am to TDawg1313
I think it was an easy call to make because it was quick and "appeared" to be against the rule.
I'm not sure what rule he broke
Didn't lead with his headgear or hit the other person in the head gear
Didn't launch himself into the player
You could say that the WR was "defenseless" but it seems like the criteria for that is usually the WR dropping the ball which is rather stupid.
If he catches the ball and holds on to it I'm not sure there is a penalty. The USC player seemingly got penalized for hitting the guy too hard.
I'm not sure what rule he broke
Didn't lead with his headgear or hit the other person in the head gear
Didn't launch himself into the player
You could say that the WR was "defenseless" but it seems like the criteria for that is usually the WR dropping the ball which is rather stupid.
If he catches the ball and holds on to it I'm not sure there is a penalty. The USC player seemingly got penalized for hitting the guy too hard.
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Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:24 am to Powerman
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Looking at the video, it looks helmet to helmet to me. Also, the USC defender left his feet. I thik that's a textbook call. His head was lowered, the Stanford recevier's head snapped back and the USC player's best defense is that it was his shoulder that rocked the receiver's head, which is still illegal.
Looking at the video, it looks helmet to helmet to me. Also, the USC defender left his feet. I thik that's a textbook call. His head was lowered, the Stanford recevier's head snapped back and the USC player's best defense is that it was his shoulder that rocked the receiver's head, which is still illegal.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:29 am to Placebeaux
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The no call on the holding has NOTHING to do with this thread.
Yes it does because you are whining about a call that didn't directly lead to a TD.
So, Stanford was screwed worse than SC and some are pointing that out.
But the "don't hit so hard rule" is bs imo.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:32 am to Baloo
He did not leave his feet. At the 6 second mark you can see his shoulder making contact with the Recievers shoulder. You have to finish the play if he doesn't the defender gets hurt. That's football.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:36 am to DP40
Say chief, I'm not whining about shite. I'm simply pointing out a bad flaw in football officiating. Once again the holding call has nothing to do with this thread or that play.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:41 am to Placebeaux
You're whining about the officiating, but per the rules that is gonna be called the majority of the time these days.
The team that got screwed in the game was Stanford, not USC.
I have some cheese for you though.
The team that got screwed in the game was Stanford, not USC.
I have some cheese for you though.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 10:44 am to DP40
Holding can be called on every play and I picked Stanford on pickem. So I'm whining that I won? Losers whine.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:08 am to Placebeaux
the call in the washington game was even worse.
i can't believe college is becoming no different than the nfl. i hate it.
i can't believe college is becoming no different than the nfl. i hate it.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:11 am to Baloo
i dunno i'm looking at this again, in slow mo, and it looks like DB shoulder on WRs right shoulder
and you can't see for sure, but i'm pretty sure he had a foot on the ground when the hit was made
*ETA: on the reverse angle it's clear his foot was on the ground
and you can't see for sure, but i'm pretty sure he had a foot on the ground when the hit was made
*ETA: on the reverse angle it's clear his foot was on the ground
This post was edited on 10/30/11 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:14 am to Placebeaux
I agree it looked like a good SEC hit and they got flagged for it. Which not only live after replay looked ridiculous. However, later the refs made up for it later with a very obvious holding call that was ignored right in front of a ref.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:19 am to Baloo
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Looking at the video, it looks helmet to helmet to me.
It's not
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Also, the USC defender left his feet
No. He clearly didn't.
The only reason this was called was because the RECEIVER put himself in a defenseless position with the stupid jump move that he did that left his feet in cement when he landed.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:24 am to DP40
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The team that got screwed in the game was Stanford, not USC.
You clearly didn't watch the game.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:26 am to Placebeaux
The fact of the matter is that recent rule changes have made football a completely different game than the one that was played 30 years ago. Roger Staubach was right, this is a wussy game now.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:29 am to trackfan
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The fact of the matter is that recent rule changes have made football a completely different game than the one that was played 30 years ago.
Yeah. I understand why the rule is in place. And I even understand why they made that call because I think you can argue that the WR was in a defenseless position.
The problem is that it puts the defense in a no win situation.
Luck left his WR out to dry by hanging the ball up between the safety. The WR didn't do himself any favors with the jump move that left his feet in the dirt and he put HIMSELF in a defenseless position.
So what is the safety supposed to do? Completely avoid contact and let him catch the ball clean for an easy TD with a step on the WR? Retreat and attempt to tackle him in the open field after he catches the ball deep? There is nothing that he could have done. He has to assume that the WR is going to make that catch. It's his job to try to separate him from the ball.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:31 am to Powerman
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So what is the safety supposed to do?
the only thing they can really do is go real low, which increases teh likelihood of neck injuries to the DBs
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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the only thing they can really do is go real low, which increases teh likelihood of neck injuries to the DBs
And if he goes low on that play with the WR's feet planted he might cause a knee injury on the WR as well. And he STILL might get called for hitting a defenseless WR.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 11:48 am to Powerman
well you only get the penalty if it's high
QBs are just throwing it higher b/c the DB can't engage/disrupt the ball if the WR is catching it by his head
QBs are just throwing it higher b/c the DB can't engage/disrupt the ball if the WR is catching it by his head
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
My issue with the rule is how late the flags come. The refs don't throw the flag until they realize the guy is hurt or struggling to get up. It's like they feel obligated to throw the flag just cause the guy got hurt.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:00 pm to Placebeaux
Easy call.
Wasn't helmet to helmet but still an easy call.
The WR was defenseless, he went shoulder to head, that call is gonna be made 100 out of 100 times.
Wasn't helmet to helmet but still an easy call.
The WR was defenseless, he went shoulder to head, that call is gonna be made 100 out of 100 times.
Posted on 10/30/11 at 12:02 pm to OBUDan
It's still a stupid rule IMO
The QB and the WR are responsible for putting the WR in a defenseless position
So the defense gets punished for their ineptitude by not being allowed to make a play on the ball. That makes sense.
The QB and the WR are responsible for putting the WR in a defenseless position
So the defense gets punished for their ineptitude by not being allowed to make a play on the ball. That makes sense.
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